A new OS is available, and a new emulator!

[edamjr]

Folks,

Dave Edwards of Mcgill has been a very busy boy. He's created a new
Windows-only S/390 emulator, Sim390, AND has generously made a
available a 'stripped-down' version of the MUSIC/ESA S/390 operating
system :-)

Jay & I have given the MUSIC volume a quick & dirty test under
Hercules, and it seems to work fine. You can pick up a copy of MUSIC,
along with Dave's Sim390 emulator, plus a working basic Hercules
configuration file, from: http://www.corestore.org/hercmusic.zip

Read the doc enclosed in that zip and you know about as much as we
do - pay particular attention to the disclaimer in sim390dm.txt. Jay
has discerned that the network support in Sim390/MUSIC is IUCV.

The original location for this stuff, where online manuals can also
be found is http://musicm.mcgill.ca - check there from time to time
for updates to the Sim390 package, there's already a bug fix in the
works (I found that, as presently built, Sim390 won't accept incoming
tn3270 connections from non-Mcgill addresses!).

Thanks Dave!

Have fun, get hacking :-)

Mike
http://www.corestore.org
(who is moving house on Monday and will have *zero* time to hack this
stuff for the forseeable future).

[zenith89]

This is great news, very nice to see MUSIC not just disappear ...

UNIVERSITY OF WATERLOO, YOUR CLUEPHONE IS RINGING.

Something I don't understand though ... if this works under
Hercules, why did Dave do up a Sim390 emulator? From the
documentation it appears that Sim390 is a reworked Hercules ...
was this something done for the MUSIC TCP/IP features?

...CPV

(snip)
Jay & I have given the MUSIC volume a quick & dirty test under
Hercules, and it seems to work fine. You can pick up a copy of MUSIC,
along with Dave's Sim390 emulator, plus a working basic Hercules
configuration file, from: http://www.corestore.org/hercmusic.zip
(snip)

[Dave Juraschek]

Post by zenith89
This is great news, very nice to see MUSIC not just disappear ...

I wholeheartedly agree!!

Post by zenith89
Something I don't understand though ... if this works under
Hercules, why did Dave do up a Sim390 emulator? From the
documentation it appears that Sim390 is a reworked Hercules ...
was this something done for the MUSIC TCP/IP features?

I'll take the liberty of replying since I don't think Dave is a
member of this list.

Dave created sim390 independently of Hercules in his own time, for
his own edification. My understanding is that knowing that McGill
was going to pull the plug on commercial MUSIC, he wanted an
environment to keep this incredible powerhorse SCP running to
support other ongoing personal projects. Besides, if you invest
20+ years in something, you get kind of attached to it, I
imagine.

sim390 and Hercules are completely different beasts. Hercules
provides emulation of all of IBM's processors to date and does
so in a somewhat host os insensitive manner (can run on Linux,
MAC, Win$, etc). sim390, by contrast, only runs under Win$ and
does not provide all the device emulations Hercules does. Yes,
sim390 does support the MUSIC TCP/IP features neatly, although
since the host VM is still missing, there are some features in
MUSIC which will not run (ie. external e-mail).

Different objectives, different development methodologies,
developed independently.
Apples and oranges, really.

Still, for those of us who love MUSIC, this is really cool.

BTW, the MUSIC image and disks are *NOT* interchangeable with
Hercules and can not be easily ported to Hercules.

-Dave

[Jay Maynard]

Post by Dave Juraschek
BTW, the MUSIC image and disks are *NOT* interchangeable with
Hercules and can not be easily ported to Hercules.

If you're referring to the MUSIC DASD image included with the simulator,
you're incorrect. It's an FBA image, and Hercules reads and writes to it
just fine.

[Dave Juraschek]

Post by Jay Maynard
If you're referring to the MUSIC DASD image included with the

simulator,

Post by Jay Maynard
you're incorrect. It's an FBA image, and Hercules reads and writes to it
just fine.

Well, if YOU tried it, then I must be wrong.
I sit corrected.
-Dave

[Jay Maynard]

Post by Dave Juraschek

Post by Jay Maynard
If you're referring to the MUSIC DASD image included with the simulator,
you're incorrect. It's an FBA image, and Hercules reads and writes to it
just fine.

Well, if YOU tried it, then I must be wrong.
I sit corrected.

Perhaps I should have been less dogmatic.

I was able to use the supplied DASD image with Hercules just fine on Mac OS
X. I thought, based on that, that it would work, period. After reading
Mike's post about problems with Windows, I'm not so sure. There may wel be
Hercules bugs that need fixing.

[Lucien Fransman]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:10:13 -0600

Post by Jay Maynard

Post by Dave Juraschek
BTW, the MUSIC image and disks are *NOT* interchangeable with
Hercules and can not be easily ported to Hercules.

If you're referring to the MUSIC DASD image included with the simulator,
you're incorrect. It's an FBA image, and Hercules reads and writes to it
just fine.

Jay,
To me it looks like it has something to do with the version of hercules.

At home I have an older version of hercules running under linux (i think the version installed by the turnkey system) and that version complains about the disk (I can't ipl, all the dasd utils complain about "CKD header invalid"

On my laptop (With 3.0.0 supplied by gentoo (linux)) it runs fine though.

And this seems to be what I was looking for. A newer OS than VM/370 with CP/CMS running under hercules :)

Now I just have to wait till I can get the full MUSIC/SP system. I have looked at the site, but I can't find where to buy it or how its priced.

Oh, well, I just hope to get networking going and make myself familiar with the OS :)

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[Jay Maynard]

Post by Lucien Fransman
At home I have an older version of hercules running under linux (i think
the version installed by the turnkey system) and that version complains
about the disk (I can't ipl, all the dasd utils complain about "CKD header
invalid"

Hm. 2.17.1 should work with it, at least, since the DASD utilities there are
pretty much the same as in version 3.

Post by Lucien Fransman
On my laptop (With 3.0.0 supplied by gentoo (linux)) it runs fine though.

I didn't know someone had contributed a Gentoo recipe for Hercules...thanks,
whoever you are!

[edamjr]

--- In hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org, "Dave Juraschek" <***@e...>
wrote:

<snip>

Post by Dave Juraschek
BTW, the MUSIC image and disks are *NOT* interchangeable with
Hercules and can not be easily ported to Hercules.

Not true. The FBA format is identical - no porting required. It Just
Works* - see the hercules .cfg file included in my zip.

* 'It Just Works' on Hercules under Linux. I've had less success
under Windows; I can't get the console to respond after the initial
couple of startup messages appear.

I've also tried changing the console to be 3270 (IBM Pcomm) instead
of 3215 - this seems to lock up under both Linux and Windows. Odd, as
the display looks correct, it appears to support 3270 console, the
correct prompts, formatting, and PF shortcuts appear.

Hmmmm I could have sworn I said I wasn't going to spend time hacking
this... ;-)

Mike

[Juan Clemente Eraña]

Post by edamjr
* 'It Just Works' on Hercules under Linux. I've had less success
under Windows; I can't get the console to respond after the initial
couple of startup messages appear.

It's working on Hercules under Windows 2K. The 3215 console works OK.
I am using the W2K telnet program to access the 3215 and IBM Personal
Comm to access 3270 terminals.
MUSIC tries to start up a TCP/IP (but looking for an IUCV service)

I got the MUSIC/SP logo screen, after an <enter> the logon prompt
asks for an userid/password. I tried a few, without any luck.
Well, I should find and read some docs or ... BTW anyone knows a
MUSIC userid/password ?

Juan

[Paul Raulerson]

It's $000 and the password is music.

Very *very* cool, but I sure wish it was a full system. As someone previously noted, the
Windows emulator simply won't allow connections to the system via telnet at this time,
but Hercules sure would. Need to setup an IUCV connection I guess.

Be nice to get that on a 3390 emulated device too, if it can handle it.

-Paul

----- Original Message -----
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To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: A new OS is available, and a new emulator!

Post by edamjr
* 'It Just Works' on Hercules under Linux. I've had less success
under Windows; I can't get the console to respond after the initial
couple of startup messages appear.

It's working on Hercules under Windows 2K. The 3215 console works OK.
I am using the W2K telnet program to access the 3215 and IBM Personal
Comm to access 3270 terminals.
MUSIC tries to start up a TCP/IP (but looking for an IUCV service)

I got the MUSIC/SP logo screen, after an <enter> the logon prompt
asks for an userid/password. I tried a few, without any luck.
Well, I should find and read some docs or ... BTW anyone knows a
MUSIC userid/password ?

Juan




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[Mohd Shahrifuddin Ahmad Masri]

Thanks for informing about the new update.

I new user on hercules. I don't have setup anything before. I finish download the hercules. I go through the installation document need me to download CYGWIN packages. Here, I really not understand. I download the setup. Completed and I run and ask about which site I want to download. After complet downloaded what should I do know. If anybody can explain step by step how to go about this. Note: I using Win2k.All my file download is tar.bz format. What I know is a zip format under UNIX.

Thanks.
Paul Raulerson <paul-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
It's $000 and the password is music.

Very *very* cool, but I sure wish it was a full system. As someone previously noted, the
Windows emulator simply won't allow connections to the system via telnet at this time,
but Hercules sure would. Need to setup an IUCV connection I guess.

Be nice to get that on a 3390 emulated device too, if it can handle it.

-Paul

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: A new OS is available, and a new emulator!

Post by edamjr
* 'It Just Works' on Hercules under Linux. I've had less success
under Windows; I can't get the console to respond after the initial
couple of startup messages appear.

It's working on Hercules under Windows 2K. The 3215 console works OK.
I am using the W2K telnet program to access the 3215 and IBM Personal
Comm to access 3270 terminals.
MUSIC tries to start up a TCP/IP (but looking for an IUCV service)

I got the MUSIC/SP logo screen, after an <enter> the logon prompt
asks for an userid/password. I tried a few, without any luck.
Well, I should find and read some docs or ... BTW anyone knows a
MUSIC userid/password ?

Juan




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For CygWin, see:
http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/hercules/herc_cygwin.html

Other http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/hercules/ pages
may also help.

Post by Mohd Shahrifuddin Ahmad Masri
Thanks for informing about the new update.
I new user on hercules. I don't have setup anything
before. I finish download the hercules. I go through
the installation document need me to download CYGWIN
packages. Here, I really not understand. I download
the setup. Completed and I run and ask about which
site I want to download. After complet downloaded
what should I do know. If anybody can explain step
by step how to go about this. Note: I using Win2k.All
my file download is tar.bz format. What I know is a
zip format under UNIX.
Thanks.

- - - snipped - - -

[Lucien Fransman]

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:41:23 -0000

Post by edamjr
Folks,

snip

Post by edamjr
Read the doc enclosed in that zip and you know about as much as we
do - pay particular attention to the disclaimer in sim390dm.txt. Jay
has discerned that the network support in Sim390/MUSIC is IUCV.

snip

any general docs on how to implement IUCV ? it looks like MUSIC depends on another virtual machine to do networking. As this doesnt work with VM/370 (or so the docs say), i'm at a loss on how to do this.

Anyway,I toyed with the OS yesterday night and found out several things.
- The original emulator sort of works under wine. The only bad thing is that when you try to connect a "local 3270 session" the screen is unreadable. Seems like a font problem, but even with wine tracing I havent found out what font it really wants. I'll try to get this going.
- It is indeed a cutdown version and a lot of the nice things (such as compilers and lots of communication stuff) has been removed.
- The help function is very usefull, but there are a few weird things within the OS. (ps, the way to get a complete listing of all the files is to issue a DIR $*: )
- TCP settings are in $TCP:TCPIP.CONFIG (this includes the hostname and other stuff)
- the OS seems to be a mixture of unix, CP/M and CMS, with some IBM ideas of how an OS should look like thrown in.

This is exciting !

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[Binyamin Dissen]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:46:18 +0100 Lucien Fransman <rlf-***@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

:>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:41:23 -0000
:>"edamjr" <abaddon-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

:>> Folks,
:>snip
:>> Read the doc enclosed in that zip and you know about as much as we
:>> do - pay particular attention to the disclaimer in sim390dm.txt. Jay
:>> has discerned that the network support in Sim390/MUSIC is IUCV.
:>snip

:>any general docs on how to implement IUCV ? it looks like MUSIC depends on another virtual machine to do networking. As this doesnt work with VM/370 (or so the docs say), i'm at a loss on how to do this.

It has been a while.......and I am going off of memory....

The IUCV interrupt is presented to the guest as a specific external interrupt.

The interrupt subcode would indicate data available or some kind of
disconnect.

The external interrupt routine would issue a diagnose to get the data.

:>Anyway,I toyed with the OS yesterday night and found out several things.
:>- The original emulator sort of works under wine. The only bad thing is that when you try to connect a "local 3270 session" the screen is unreadable. Seems like a font problem, but even with wine tracing I havent found out what font it really wants. I'll try to get this going.
:>- It is indeed a cutdown version and a lot of the nice things (such as compilers and lots of communication stuff) has been removed.
:>- The help function is very usefull, but there are a few weird things within the OS. (ps, the way to get a complete listing of all the files is to issue a DIR $*: )
:>- TCP settings are in $TCP:TCPIP.CONFIG (this includes the hostname and other stuff)
:>- the OS seems to be a mixture of unix, CP/M and CMS, with some IBM ideas of how an OS should look like thrown in.

--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen-***@public.gmane.org>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel

[Paul Raulerson]

Music was always hosted under VM wasn't it? I did not even realize it could be IPLed as a standalone.
Really cool to see it though. Wonder who at McGill would be the person to release a full copy either with a hobbyist or even a commercial license, if they can.

-Paul

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] A new OS is available, and a new emulator!


On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:46:18 +0100 Lucien Fransman <rlf-***@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

:>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:41:23 -0000
:>"edamjr" <abaddon-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

:>> Folks,
:>snip
:>> Read the doc enclosed in that zip and you know about as much as we
:>> do - pay particular attention to the disclaimer in sim390dm.txt. Jay
:>> has discerned that the network support in Sim390/MUSIC is IUCV.
:>snip

:>any general docs on how to implement IUCV ? it looks like MUSIC depends on another virtual machine to do networking. As this doesnt work with VM/370 (or so the docs say), i'm at a loss on how to do this.

It has been a while.......and I am going off of memory....

The IUCV interrupt is presented to the guest as a specific external interrupt.

The interrupt subcode would indicate data available or some kind of
disconnect.

The external interrupt routine would issue a diagnose to get the data.

:>Anyway,I toyed with the OS yesterday night and found out several things.
:>- The original emulator sort of works under wine. The only bad thing is that when you try to connect a "local 3270 session" the screen is unreadable. Seems like a font problem, but even with wine tracing I havent found out what font it really wants. I'll try to get this going.
:>- It is indeed a cutdown version and a lot of the nice things (such as compilers and lots of communication stuff) has been removed.
:>- The help function is very usefull, but there are a few weird things within the OS. (ps, the way to get a complete listing of all the files is to issue a DIR $*: )
:>- TCP settings are in $TCP:TCPIP.CONFIG (this includes the hostname and other stuff)
:>- the OS seems to be a mixture of unix, CP/M and CMS, with some IBM ideas of how an OS should look like thrown in.

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[Lucien Fransman]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:12:10 -0600

Post by Paul Raulerson
Music was always hosted under VM wasn't it? I did not even realize it could be IPLed as a standalone.

it DOES have some calls to VM (which are stripped and not available in the version supplied). There is some mention about it running on a PS/2 on the site. Isnt that i386 architecture as well? (well, appart from the MCA buss and other IBM specific architectural horrors)

Post by Paul Raulerson
Really cool to see it though. Wonder who at McGill would be the person to release a full copy either with a hobbyist or even a commercial license, if they can.

snip

I have looked at the site, but I cant find any documentation on how to obtain it. Google finds some references at IBM for MUSIC, but i don't think you can/could buy it via IBM.

It is a bit silly though, you would think that for something that is commercial, the product page would have some "for sales, contact sales-//Bz/+***@public.gmane.org" or somesuch details.

It looks to be truely EOL, as both the website and the ftp site are not modified since 1999. (except for the emulator part)

Too bad imho.

It looks really cool, and i think i could really enjoy working with it.

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Post by Paul Raulerson
Music was always hosted under VM wasn't it? I did not even realize

it could be IPLed as a standalone.

Post by Paul Raulerson
Really cool to see it though. Wonder who at McGill would be the

person to release a full copy either with a hobbyist or even a
commercial license, if they can.

MUSIC was always a standalone SCP. It simply took advantage of loads
of stuff in VM and VM was necessary for any kind of external
connectivity.

PLEASE DON'T MESS WITH MCGILL JUST YET!

Dave Edwards, the guy who wrote sim390, and who was one of the
principle software engineers of MUSIC is working on doing this
himself. Let's let him do what he can within the political
structure at McGill first. If nothing happens after a while, then
perhaps it would be to our advantage to begin pestering them
externally. I think we owe it to Dave to let him have his crack at
getting MUSIC released first.

BTW, the command to find out what files are there is LIB and not DIR
(although DIR is an alias for LIB). Try:
LIB *
LIB *:*
LIB *:* FULL
as commands to explore the LIB command.
The construction of a file name is 4 character account id followed by
colon followed by file name. The $***:* files are all McGill stuff.

To add an account for yourself, use the CODUPD program.

If you do a HELP, you'll get menus which will get you started from
which you can find out some more info about commands. Manuals can be
found as postscript files on the musicm.mcgill.ca ftp site. You'll
want the latest version subdirectory (5.1) under manuals. There is a
MAN51.EXE file (just under 3M) there which is a self extracting zip
of all of the manuals, so if you can do a larger single file ftp, do
that one and forget downloading each individual .PS file.

The user's guides (ur*.ps) make up the user's manual.

I published a user's guide in the early 80's for MUSIC. If I can
find an electronic copy, I'll post it in something other than .PS
(postscript) format.

If you send me offline e-mail with specific MUSIC questions you have,
I'll try to answer them as quickly as I can, but this is neither the
forum, nor the place for that. "d ave j esc atsign er ols dot com"
(spread out to foil spambots - remove spaces).

MUSIC probably has the best on-line editor of any IBM system. It
could handle over 200 interactive users with great response times in
about the same VM resources as 15 or less full CMS users and provided
many of the office computing features that folks would by something
like PROFS for. It was IBM's premier student friendly academic
computing environment in the 80's.

Happy computing.

-Dave

[Lucien Fransman]

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:54:59 -0000

Post by Dave Juraschek
PLEASE DON'T MESS WITH MCGILL JUST YET!

I won't :)

Actually, is the OS still available for mainframe users?

Post by Dave Juraschek
Dave Edwards, the guy who wrote sim390, and who was one of the
principle software engineers of MUSIC is working on doing this
himself. Let's let him do what he can within the political
structure at McGill first. If nothing happens after a while, then
perhaps it would be to our advantage to begin pestering them
externally. I think we owe it to Dave to let him have his crack at
getting MUSIC released first.

I assume he also knows of the existance of hercules?

Post by Dave Juraschek
If you do a HELP, you'll get menus which will get you started from
which you can find out some more info about commands.

Snip

In the Sim390 FTP directory at mcgills there are a couple of interresting archives.
If i get the networking set up, ill try to find out what runs and what not, and if I (a beginner, as you might have guessed) can get some other things working.

Post by Dave Juraschek
If you send me offline e-mail with specific MUSIC questions you have,
I'll try to answer them as quickly as I can, but this is neither the
forum, nor the place for that.

Done that (the email) :)

Actually, would it be an idea to create (yet) another hercules list (something like H390-MUSIC) to discuss these things?

Post by Dave Juraschek
MUSIC probably has the best on-line editor of any IBM system. It
could handle over 200 interactive users with great response times in
about the same VM resources as 15 or less full CMS users and provided
many of the office computing features that folks would by something
like PROFS for. It was IBM's premier student friendly academic
computing environment in the 80's.

And it does full screen editing :) Im very happy with it.

The system I used a long while ago was in some aspects similar to music. Im feeling quite at home with some of the things (The highschool i attended had a System32, and music looks like the big brother of the OS we used there)

[Dave Juraschek]

Post by Lucien Fransman
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:54:59 -0000
Actually, is the OS still available for mainframe users?

It is not being marketed any more and the software group for MUSIC at
McGill (who owns MUSIC) has been disbanded. Those remaining at
McGill are now working in other capacities.

Post by Lucien Fransman

Dave Edwards,...

I assume he also knows of the existance of hercules?

Indeed he does. In fact, he has corresponded with Mike Ross and
several others of us for some time now. (Thanks, Mike.)

Post by Lucien Fransman
Actually, would it be an idea to create (yet) another hercules list

(something like H390-MUSIC) to discuss these things?
I don't know how to do this. I would be glad to help with such a
list if someone would tell me what I need to do since I do have some
expertise with MUSIC/SP.

Post by Lucien Fransman

MUSIC probably has the best on-line editor of any IBM system.

And it does full screen editing :) Im very happy with it.

I meant to say full-screen too. ;-) It is incredibly powerful,
flexible and friendly. Dave Edwards was the main architect of this
editor.

-Dave

[Lucien Fransman]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:44:40 -0000

Post by Dave Juraschek

Post by Lucien Fransman
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:54:59 -0000
Actually, is the OS still available for mainframe users?

It is not being marketed any more and the software group for MUSIC at
McGill (who owns MUSIC) has been disbanded. Those remaining at
McGill are now working in other capacities.

Post by Lucien Fransman

Dave Edwards,...

I assume he also knows of the existance of hercules?

Indeed he does. In fact, he has corresponded with Mike Ross and
several others of us for some time now. (Thanks, Mike.)

Post by Lucien Fransman
Actually, would it be an idea to create (yet) another hercules list

(something like H390-MUSIC) to discuss these things?
I don't know how to do this. I would be glad to help with such a
list if someone would tell me what I need to do since I do have some
expertise with MUSIC/SP.

snip


Well, i made a new list (just now) at yahoo!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-music/

I'll take a look at the possibilities after I had my morning coffee ;)

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[zenith89]

Post by Lucien Fransman
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:41:23 -0000
(snip)
- It is indeed a cutdown version and a lot of the nice things (such

as compilers and lots of communication stuff) has been removed.

Post by Lucien Fransman
(snip)

The "real" MUSIC systems had interfaces to FORTRAN G and the like,
so in theory free language processors like that could be left in or
added again. As Dave Juraschek says, something to bear in mind for
a future wish-list.

...CPV

[Kevin Monceaux]

I've downloaded the hercmusic.zip file from CoreStore and am trying to take
it for a spin. I'm running Hercules 3.00 on a Mandrake Linux 9.1 system. I
get as far as:

M066 MUSIC/SP, Level=ESA-FBA 03JAN04
M076 (c) Copyright 1989-2000, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
M077 Enter operator id or special options or HELP

12:22 AM TUE JAN 13, 2004. Initializing.
00:22 M097 The following volumes are permanent:
00:22 M105 MUSICX on unit 201 SYS
00:22 M070 No disk drives are available for mounts.
00:22 M139 Storage size 32768K. Pageable storage 29772K
00:22 M140 MAXMPL= 10, MAXRRS=1000K, Num RCBs= 76
00:22 M092 System initialization completing.
00:22 M153 Starting TEMP file cleanup
00:22 M155 Loading PLPA
00:22 M144 Starting RAM DISK load at 00:22:47 2004/01/13
00:22 M145 RAM DISK load finished

starting up MUSIC then appear to get stuck in a loop. I get the the
following message over and over on the Hercules console:

HHCCP014I CPU0000: Operation exception CODE=0001 ILC=2
PSW=040C0000 00800814 INST=0000 ?????
GR00=0000739C GR01=0000005C GR02=009EBF38 GR03=FFFFE8FC
GR04=0086D8B0 GR05=008765A8 GR06=0086DA00 GR07=00837908
GR08=00838908 GR09=00839908 GR10=00836908 GR11=00967000
GR12=00800000 GR13=00836908 GR14=8080282A GR15=00800C58
CR00=00B00CE0 CR01=00197000 CR02=00000000 CR03=00000000
CR04=00000000 CR05=00000000 CR06=FF000000 CR07=00000000
CR08=00000000 CR09=00000000 CR10=00000000 CR11=00000000
CR12=00000000 CR13=00000000 CR14=C2000000 CR15=00000000


I'm using the exact Hercules config file that came with MUSIC. Anyone know
what the problem might be?


Kevin

[edamjr]

Post by Kevin Monceaux
I've downloaded the hercmusic.zip file from CoreStore and am trying to take
it for a spin. I'm running Hercules 3.00 on a Mandrake Linux 9.1 system. I

Snip...

The CoreStore relocated to palatial new premises on Monday and is
still largely in boxes. As soon as it gets out of the boxes, sometime
in the next month or three, it will be looked at.

I will say, it worked fine for me, same config file (obviously!) but
I was running a considerably older version of Herc - 2.17 I think -
on Suse 8.1. Can't speak as to gcc, build environment until the
system is back up - whatever came with the distro I think, I don't
recall messing with it.

Cheers

Mike
http://www.corestore.org

[Jay Maynard]

Post by edamjr

Post by Kevin Monceaux
I've downloaded the hercmusic.zip file from CoreStore and am trying to
take it for a spin. I'm running Hercules 3.00 on a Mandrake Linux 9.1

I will say, it worked fine for me, same config file (obviously!) but
I was running a considerably older version of Herc - 2.17 I think -
on Suse 8.1. Can't speak as to gcc, build environment until the
system is back up - whatever came with the distro I think, I don't
recall messing with it.

I've run it with 3.01 with no problems, but only on OS X.

[Lucien Fransman]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:39:54 -0600

Post by Jay Maynard
I've run it with 3.01 with no problems, but only on OS X.

3.0.0 and 3.1 without problems here..
I seemed to have a issue with the 3370 disk (hercules reported that it didnt support the 3370), but that was resolved with a rebuild.

Im running on both gentoo and suse linux.

(for those of you running gentoo, emerge -uD hercules works quite fine ;) )
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Things to do while watching LOTR movies:
<MercyBeat> In The Two Towers when the Ents decide to march to war, stand up and shout "RUN FOREST, RUN!"