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[hercules-390] Just to let you know about my talk
jbaten@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
2017-11-20 15:02:39 UTC
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Hi,

Last weekend in a city called Eindhoven in the Netherlands, there was the T-DOSE (www.t-dose.org) conference (Technical Dutch Open Source Event).

I did a talk there about Hercules and TK4-. You can find it on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/A6Dt0_1f9dg

Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-11-20 23:37:39 UTC
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Post by ***@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
Last weekend in a city called Eindhoven in
the Netherlands, there was the T-DOSE
(www.t-dose.org) conference (Technical
Dutch Open Source Event).
I did a talk there about Hercules and TK4-.
Thanks for doing the talk in English (luckily
there were 2.5 people in the audience who
didn't speak Dutch). There were unfortunately
some audio dropouts especially near the end,
but most stuff was audible.

Based on what you noted, I think TK4-
should print out a couple of lines when
logging on to TSO saying "please note
that you need to use F3 to exit, F7 to
scroll up and F8 to scroll down".

You mentioned that there was no "PATH".
The link list is the path. Or did you mean
"working directory"? If so, the profile
prefix is the equivalent of that, isn't it?

When editing a dataset you remarked
"just press enter to save". If that's how
TK4- operates, that's the first I've heard
of that. Normally you need to either
type "save" and press enter, or you need
to press F3 and it will prompt you to
save or discard.

You mentioned that S/370 was 31-bit.
For most non-mainframe audiences,
the number of bits refers to how big
the data registers are, so an 8086
would be 16-bit, even though it can
address 2**20 (roughly), ie 1 MB of
memory.

But you are correct in that in the mainframe
world people instead seem to refer to the
number of bits of memory you can address.
I don't know why.

Regardless, S/370 is 24-bit, not 31-bit.
S/370 XA (which MVS/XA uses, which
we don't have) is 31-bit. Also Hercules/380
has both 31-bit and 64-bit extensions
to S/370 so you can boot MVS 3.8j
and do 31-bit and 64-bit programming.

BFN. Paul.
João Reginato jb.reginato@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-11-21 13:05:15 UTC
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Type “save” and press enter depends on profile autosave on/off





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Assunto: [hercules-390] Re: Just to let you know about my talk
Post by ***@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
Last weekend in a city called Eindhoven in
the Netherlands, there was the T-DOSE
(www.t-dose.org <http://www.t-dose.org> ) conference (Technical
Dutch Open Source Event).
I did a talk there about Hercules and TK4-.
Thanks for doing the talk in English (luckily
there were 2.5 people in the audience who
didn't speak Dutch). There were unfortunately
some audio dropouts especially near the end,
but most stuff was audible.

Based on what you noted, I think TK4-
should print out a couple of lines when
logging on to TSO saying "please note
that you need to use F3 to exit, F7 to
scroll up and F8 to scroll down".

You mentioned that there was no "PATH".
The link list is the path. Or did you mean
"working directory"? If so, the profile
prefix is the equivalent of that, isn't it?

When editing a dataset you remarked
"just press enter to save". If that's how
TK4- operates, that's the first I've heard
of that. Normally you need to either
type "save" and press enter, or you need
to press F3 and it will prompt you to
save or discard.

You mentioned that S/370 was 31-bit.
For most non-mainframe audiences,
the number of bits refers to how big
the data registers are, so an 8086
would be 16-bit, even though it can
address 2**20 (roughly), ie 1 MB of
memory.

But you are correct in that in the mainframe
world people instead seem to refer to the
number of bits of memory you can address.
I don't know why.

Regardless, S/370 is 24-bit, not 31-bit.
S/370 XA (which MVS/XA uses, which
we don't have) is 31-bit. Also Hercules/380
has both 31-bit and 64-bit extensions
to S/370 so you can boot MVS 3.8j
and do 31-bit and 64-bit programming.

BFN. Paul.
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-11-22 01:57:27 UTC
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Post by João Reginato ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Type “save” and press enter depends on profile autosave on/off
Ok, thanks. So assuming that is on, do
you just have to enter to save, or do you
need to press PF3 to save?

If pressing enter does an automatic save
then that means you can't type "can/cancel"
to cancel your changes.

BFN. Paul.
João Reginato jb.reginato@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-11-22 13:14:54 UTC
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It will be autosaved only on exit using PF3.

Also, if RECOVERY is ON, you can undo the last updates (one by one) using UNDO.

And obviously you can SAVE/CANCEL at any time





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Assunto: Re: RES: [hercules-390] Re: Just to let you know about my talk
Post by João Reginato ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Type “save” and press enter depends on profile autosave on/off
Ok, thanks. So assuming that is on, do
you just have to enter to save, or do you
need to press PF3 to save?

If pressing enter does an automatic save
then that means you can't type "can/cancel"
to cancel your changes.

BFN. Paul.
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-12-15 22:26:48 UTC
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Post by ***@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
I did a talk there about Hercules and TK4-.
http://youtu.be/A6Dt0_1f9dg http://youtu.be/A6Dt0_1f9dg
BTW, the talk mentioned that the US government
paid IBM to write the initial versions of MVS, hence
they were public domain.

In what year did the US government stop funding
this development and what was the code base at
that point in time and did the US government think
to retain a copy of the source code that actually
assembles?

Thanks. Paul.

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