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[hercules-390] z/OS 2.2
' Richard Pinion' rpinion@netscape.com [hercules-390]
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<p><DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet? &nbsp;I have<DIV>attempted to IPL z/OS 2.2 on Hercules 4.0 64 bit for AMD</DIV><DIV>and received a wait state code of 072. &nbsp;z/OS 2.1 works fine.</DIV><DIV>I've Googled and seached www.ibm.com, but have not found</DIV><DIV>anything related. &nbsp;I'm wondering if this is related to Hercules.</DIV><DIV>Below is the description of wait state code 72.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><SPAN style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;font-weight: bold;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">072</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><DIV style="font-weight: bold;">Explanation:</DIV><P style="margin-top: 0em;">There is no more room in the work space allocated to initial program load (IPL).</P></DIV><DIV style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><DIV style="font-weight: bold;">System action:</DIV><P style="margin-top: 0em;">The system enters a non-restartable wait state.</P></DIV><DIV style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><DIV style="font-weight: bold;">System programmer response:</DIV><P style="margin-top: 0em;">Search problem reporting databases for a fix for the problem. If no fix exists, contact the IBM Support Center.</P></DIV><DIV style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><DIV style="font-weight: bold;">Source:</DIV></DIV><DIV><SPAN style="font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size: 11px;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Initial program load (IPL)</SPAN><SPAN style="white-space: pre;"> </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">Richard and Vickie Pinion</SPAN></DIV><BR>&nbsp;<BR><HR>Netscape.&nbsp; Just the Net You Need.</DIV></p>

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Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 16:57:28 UTC
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Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !


Sincerely, IBM.
'John P. Hartmann' jphartmann@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:06:12 UTC
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Please let IBM speak for itself.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !
Sincerely, IBM.
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:14:17 UTC
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Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
Well whichever way you look at it:

When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.

At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough people
do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator. Im no lawyer,
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.

At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with that,
it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.

Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.


My 2$.


- Maarten
Laddie Hanus laddiehanus@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:24:46 UTC
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There is a group called hercules-advocacy where this has been discussed since about 2003 or so. The current policy of tolerating this grew out of those discussions. You may want to read the posts in that group. IBM already has made its mind up about hercules. Google turbo-hercules and you will see IBM's opinion. Don't expect to ever see anything newer to be released.

Laddie Hanus


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Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator. Im no lawyer, but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.
At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that some combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
My 2$.
- Maarten
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:35:39 UTC
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Wrong - you can get a extension licence for your site that allows the
O/S to be run under test systems.
Discussion of hardware may not be specified.

Do your homework before hand if you really must come out with such
comments !!
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM, 'John P. Hartmann'
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions
of their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if
enough people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the
emulator. Im no lawyer, but how it looks to me is that current
licenses do not allow you to run these versions of IBM's software on
anything other than their hardware.
At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that
some combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree
with that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the
dispute.
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses
of the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
My 2$.
- Maarten
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:43:30 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Vince Coen ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Wrong - you can get a extension licence for your site that allows the
O/S to be run under test systems.
Discussion of hardware may not be specified.
Do your homework before hand if you really must come out with such
comments !!
________________________________
________________________________
I got my information from the Hercules FAQ: software you are entitled to
run legally.

http://www.hercules-390.org/hercfaq.html#2.02

If your response is correct, than that statement in the FAQ is in desperate
need of an update.


- Maarten.
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 23:51:57 UTC
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Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hi,
Post by Vince Coen ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Wrong - you can get a extension licence for your site that allows the
O/S to be run under test systems.
Discussion of hardware may not be specified.
Do your homework before hand if you really must come out with such
comments !!
I got my information from the Hercules FAQ: software you are entitled
to run legally.
http://www.hercules-390.org/hercfaq.html#2.02
If your response is correct, than that statement in the FAQ is in
desperate need of an update.
It a general purpose response / answer to using more current systems.

That said buyers of IBM m/f kit can easily negotiate their licenses -
IBM is very flexible - 'IBM' like funding / money !!

The FAQ does not take that into account for if anything else legal reasons.

Another point licensing does vary, between countries.
'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:50:17 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: 29 October 2015 17:36
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2
Wrong - you can get a extension licence for your site that allows the O/S to
be run under test systems.
Discussion of hardware may not be specified.
Do your homework before hand if you really must come out with such
comments !!
As I understand things licences and laws may differ from country to country.
You may not even be able to tell me about what is in your licence.
However the "Hercules-advocacy" group was created to discuss this...
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM, 'John P. Hartmann'
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions
of their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if
enough people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the
emulator. Im no lawyer, but how it looks to me is that current
licenses do not allow you to run these versions of IBM's software on
anything other than their hardware.
At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that
some combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree
with that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the
dispute.
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses
of the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
My 2$.
- Maarten
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Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:55:01 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Laddie Hanus ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
There is a group called hercules-advocacy where this has been discussed
since about 2003 or so. The current policy of tolerating this grew out of
those discussions. You may want to read the posts in that group. IBM
already has made its mind up about hercules. Google turbo-hercules and you
will see IBM's opinion. Don't expect to ever see anything newer to be
released.
Post by Laddie Hanus ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Laddie Hanus
As I understand things licences and laws may differ from country to country.
You may not even be able to tell me about what is in your licence.
However the "Hercules-advocacy" group was created to discuss this...
Thank you both for pointing out the 'hercules-advocacy' group/mailing-list.
Once ive gotten confirmation of my subscription, Im defenitely going to
check out those archives.


Thanks,

- Maarten
Your Appalling Lack of Manners lists@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 18:06:39 UTC
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Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying you to be their policeman?
How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an issue of running
code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an inane tautology
whether you realize it or not. The rest of your comments are simply inane,
failing to be tautological much less logical.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough
people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator.
That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see, the emulator is open
source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even if Big Brother
DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted out. Never, I tell you.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Im no lawyer
Yes, we got it. You're a wanna be policeman. But you never made it through
the academy did you?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.
And how do you fit into the equation again?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with
that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.
I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to have the authority
to direct "the community" to behave according to your ignorant
malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here. Let's keep it that way.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
That is a practical impossibility.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
My 2$.
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think you owe "the
community" a rather red-faced apology for your appalling lack of manners
and assholier than thou posts on the subject.
Dave McGuire Mcguire@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:09:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !
Sincerely, IBM.
Wow...WTF is the matter with you?
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:15:33 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !
Sincerely, IBM.
Wow...WTF is the matter with you?
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Quite a lot, actually. Where would you like me to start ? Anyway, see my
other response for details.



- Maarten
pade@trifox.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:40:15 UTC
Permalink
I typically respond with "How much time do you have or do you want the abridged version with just the highlights?"
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:50:10 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by ***@trifox.com [hercules-390]
I typically respond with "How much time do you have or do you want the
abridged version with just the highlights?"
Post by ***@trifox.com [hercules-390]
________________________________
________________________________
Ive got *oceans* of time. However, an abridged version suitable for
inclusion of the Hercules FAQ would be more useful at this point.


- Maarten
Dave McGuire Mcguire@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:53:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ***@trifox.com [hercules-390]
I typically respond with "How much time do you have or do you want the
abridged version with just the highlights?"
Ive got *oceans* of time. However, an abridged version suitable for
inclusion of the Hercules FAQ would be more useful at this point.
I don't think that's what he was talking about..

-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:59:38 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ***@trifox.com [hercules-390]
I typically respond with "How much time do you have or do you want the
abridged version with just the highlights?"
Ive got *oceans* of time. However, an abridged version suitable for
inclusion of the Hercules FAQ would be more useful at this point.
I don't think that's what he was talking about..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Perhaps youre right. Still, this doesnt change the fact that something
suitable for updates and inclusion of the Hercules FAQ would seem
appropriate.



- Maarten
Velvet Jones velvetjoneslives@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 23:48:22 UTC
Permalink
 I'm pretty sure that this was an attempt at humor, though probably pretty close to the truth(the IBM part).

From: "Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]" <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com>
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !
Sincerely, IBM.
Wow...WTF is the matter with you?
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:31:56 UTC
Permalink
Clearly you are "Assuming" - wrong way of thinking as a programmer so
have to assume you are not one!
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:55 PM, ' Richard Pinion'
Post by ' Richard Pinion' ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet?
PIRATE !
Sincerely, IBM.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:34:57 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Vince Coen ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Clearly you are "Assuming" - wrong way of thinking as a programmer so
have to assume you are not one!
________________________________
'Assuming' - makes an ass out of you and me.
;)


And no, you got that part right, Im not a programmer.


- Maarten
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:30:15 UTC
Permalink
Seem to recall that someone reported that from v2.1 the object deck was
encrypted in some way that will stop Hercules from doing an IPL.

Have not got one that new to test.
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet? I have
attempted to IPL z/OS 2.2 on Hercules 4.0 64 bit for AMD
and received a wait state code of 072. z/OS 2.1 works fine.
I've Googled and seached www.ibm.com, but have not found
anything related. I'm wondering if this is related to Hercules.
Below is the description of wait state code 72.
072
There is no more room in the work space allocated to initial program
load (IPL).
The system enters a non-restartable wait state.
Search problem reporting databases for a fix for the problem. If no
fix exists, contact the IBM Support Center.
Initial program load (IPL)
Richard and Vickie Pinion
rpinion@netscape.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 17:54:02 UTC
Permalink
Originally had an error in SYS1.IPLPARM, wait state code 088 which was related to defining NUCLST, but did not have NUCLST defined in SYS1.IPLPARM. I corrected that and then received the wait state code 072. I think we're past the point of the IPL text.
'Steve and Grace Bovy' sg.bovy@ca.rr.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 19:09:57 UTC
Permalink
The encryption was recently added to the zpdt and ADCD; so if you are trying to run the ADCD on herc you will run into encryption problems



Running adcd on herc is expressly forbidden and totally illegal :)





From: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:30 AM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2





Seem to recall that someone reported that from v2.1 the object deck was
encrypted in some way that will stop Hercules from doing an IPL.

Have not got one that new to test.
Has anyone IPL'ed z/OS 2.2 under Hercules yet? I have
attempted to IPL z/OS 2.2 on Hercules 4.0 64 bit for AMD
and received a wait state code of 072. z/OS 2.1 works fine.
I've Googled and seached www.ibm.com <http://www.ibm.com> , but have not found
anything related. I'm wondering if this is related to Hercules.
Below is the description of wait state code 72.
072
There is no more room in the work space allocated to initial program
load (IPL).
The system enters a non-restartable wait state.
Search problem reporting databases for a fix for the problem. If no
fix exists, contact the IBM Support Center.
Initial program load (IPL)
Richard and Vickie Pinion
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 18:39:10 UTC
Permalink
Hi,


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Your Appalling Lack of Manners
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying you to be their
policeman?
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an issue of running
code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an inane tautology
whether you realize it or not. The rest of your comments are simply inane,
failing to be tautological much less logical.
Nobody is paying me to be anyone's policeman. I got my information from the
Hercules FAQ. Which, judging by the comments, is in serious need of an
update.
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see, the emulator is open
source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even if Big
Brother
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted out. Never, I tell you.
True. And yet, using them may still be regarded illegal by the powers that
be.
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
And how do you fit into the equation again?
Is this even relevant ?
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to have the
authority
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
to direct "the community" to behave according to your ignorant
malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here. Let's keep it that
way.
Yes, Im new here. So ?
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think you owe "the
community" a rather red-faced apology for your appalling lack of manners
and assholier than thou posts on the subject.
Right. Here we go, then: Please forgive me for trying to keep a hobby a
hobby.
Post by Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390]
________________________________
________________________________
- Maarten
'Norman.Hollander' norman.hollander@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 19:12:46 UTC
Permalink
We've been down this road so many times. IMHO, this is not what this group
is about.

You all know what your license agreement is for running IBM Operating
Systems. Whether

you can or cannot run something is not the topic here. If you wish to help
someone with

an issue that is of general interest, then post it here. If it is something
that you are not

comfortable posting in public, but you still want to assist, send a private
note. If you have the

need to discuss what is legal, keep those comments to yourself. We're all
grownups here, and

are aware that IBM lawyers could find you. No need to have endless threads
of what you probably

already know is in the realm of legal.



That said, I will say that I do work for IBM. I do run all the current OSes
on a zPDT and have had

"experience" with Hercules. Feel free to ask me questions. But I will not
publically help anyone

violate their license agreements. But I may have answers that could
theoretically work. J



zNorman



From: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:07 AM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2





On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:14:17 +0100
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying you to be their policeman?
How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an issue of running
code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an inane tautology
whether you realize it or not. The rest of your comments are simply inane,
failing to be tautological much less logical.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough
people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator.
That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see, the emulator is open
source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even if Big Brother
DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted out. Never, I tell you.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Im no lawyer
Yes, we got it. You're a wanna be policeman. But you never made it through
the academy did you?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.
And how do you fit into the equation again?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point, the community is going to have to accept the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with
that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.
I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to have the authority
to direct "the community" to behave according to your ignorant
malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here. Let's keep it that way.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
That is a practical impossibility.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
My 2$.
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think you owe "the
community" a rather red-faced apology for your appalling lack of manners
and assholier than thou posts on the subject.
Cory Smelosky b4@gewt.net [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 20:15:01 UTC
Permalink
Sent from my iPhone
We’ve been down this road so many times. IMHO, this is not what this group is about.
You all know what your license agreement is for running IBM Operating Systems. Whether
you can or cannot run something is not the topic here. If you wish to help someone with
an issue that is of general interest, then post it here. If it is something that you are not
comfortable posting in public, but you still want to assist, send a private note. If you have the
need to discuss what is legal, keep those comments to yourself. We’re all grownups here, and
are aware that IBM lawyers could find you. No need to have endless threads of what you probably
already know is in the realm of legal.
That said, I will say that I do work for IBM. I do run all the current OSes on a zPDT and have had
“experience” with Hercules. Feel free to ask me questions. But I will not publically help anyone
violate their license agreements. But I may have answers that could theoretically work. J
I only see z/OS for zPDT, where is z/VM for there?
zNorman
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:14:17 +0100
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying you to be their policeman?
How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an issue of running
code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an inane tautology
whether you real ize it or not. The rest of your comments are simply inane,
failing to be tautological much less logical.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough
people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator.
That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see, the emulator is open
source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even if Big Brother
DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted out. Never, I tell you.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Im no lawyer
Yes, we got it. You're a wanna be policeman. But you never made it through
the academy did you?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.
And how do you fit into the equation again?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point, the community is going to have to accep t the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with
that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.
I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to have the authority
to direct "the community" to behave according to your ignorant
malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here. Let's keep it that way.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
That is a practical impossibility.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
My 2$.
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think you owe "the
community" a rather red-faced apology for your appalling lack of manners
and assholier than thou posts on the subject.
'Norman.Hollander' norman.hollander@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 20:59:02 UTC
Permalink
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under z/VM.

Works great!



From: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 1:15 PM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2







Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:12, 'Norman.Hollander' ***@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390] <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We’ve been down this road so many times. IMHO, this is not what this group is about.

You all know what your license agreement is for running IBM Operating Systems. Whether

you can or cannot run something is not the topic here. If you wish to help someone with

an issue that is of general interest, then post it here. If it is something that you are not

comfortable posting in public, but you still want to assist, send a private note. If you have the

need to discuss what is legal, keep those comments to yourself. We’re all grownups here, and

are aware that IBM lawyers could find you. No need to have endless threads of what you probably

already know is in the realm of legal.



That said, I will say that I do work for IBM. I do run all the current OSes on a zPDT and have had

“experience” with Hercules. Feel free to ask me questions. But I will not publically help anyone

violate their license agreements. But I may have answers that could theoretically work. J



I only see z/OS for zPDT, where is z/VM for there?







zNorman



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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:14:17 +0100
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hi,
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of that.
If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying you to be their policeman?
How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an issue of running
code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an inane tautology
whether you real ize it or not. The rest of your comments are simply inane,
failing to be tautological much less logical.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point though, when people are using licensed current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice. And if enough
people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after the emulator.
That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see, the emulator is open
source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even if Big Brother
DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted out. Never, I tell you.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Im no lawyer
Yes, we got it. You're a wanna be policeman. But you never made it through
the academy did you?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other than their hardware.
And how do you fit into the equation again?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
At some point, the community is going to have to accep t the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you dont agree with
that, it looks like you have to take it to court to settle the dispute.
I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to have the authority
to direct "the community" to behave according to your ignorant
malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here. Let's keep it that way.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of usage.
That is a practical impossibility.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
My 2$.
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think you owe "the
community" a rather red-faced apology for your appalling lack of manners
and assholier than thou posts on the subject.
Dave McGuire Mcguire@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 21:02:05 UTC
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On 10/29/2015 04:59 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
Post by 'Norman.Hollander' ***@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under z/VM.
Works great!
Wow, this one sure caught MY attention. I'd like to learn more about
Sysplex operations; do you know offhand if it'd be practical to set up a
similar environment using instances of OS/390 under VM/ESA? Would the
lack of a virtual coupling facility screw me?

Thanks,
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
Gregg Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 21:11:56 UTC
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Hello!
I agree.
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Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
On 10/29/2015 04:59 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
Post by 'Norman.Hollander' ***@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under z/VM.
Works great!
Wow, this one sure caught MY attention. I'd like to learn more about
Sysplex operations; do you know offhand if it'd be practical to set up a
similar environment using instances of OS/390 under VM/ESA? Would the
lack of a virtual coupling facility screw me?
Thanks,
-Dave
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'Norman.Hollander' norman.hollander@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 21:36:26 UTC
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You can’t run a parallel Sysplex without a CF. You can run a basic Sysplex with CTC

Connections. Pretty sure VM/ESA did not do the CF emulation.



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Hello!
I agree.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
On 10/29/2015 04:59 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under
z/VM.
Works great!
Wow, this one sure caught MY attention. I'd like to learn more about
Sysplex operations; do you know offhand if it'd be practical to set up a
similar environment using instances of OS/390 under VM/ESA? Would the
lack of a virtual coupling facility screw me?
Thanks,
-Dave
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Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 21:39:20 UTC
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On 10/29/2015 10:36 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
Post by 'Norman.Hollander' ***@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
You can’t run a parallel Sysplex without a CF. You can run a basic Sysplex with CTC
Connections. Pretty sure VM/ESA did not do the CF emulation.
Of course it does !

It's called the ICF ! (Integrated Coupling Facility) - Which allows
emulating a CF withing a VM

--Ivan


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'Norman.Hollander' norman.hollander@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
2015-10-30 01:25:30 UTC
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I stand corrected. Have not tried an emulated CF.



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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2







On 10/29/2015 10:36 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
You can’t run a parallel Sysplex without a CF. You can run a basic
Sysplex with CTC
Connections. Pretty sure VM/ESA did not do the CF emulation.
Of course it does !

It's called the ICF ! (Integrated Coupling Facility) - Which allows
emulating a CF withing a VM

--Ivan

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rpinion@netscape.com [hercules-390]
2015-11-06 22:50:40 UTC
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Sorry for hijacking the thread mid-stream. I wanted to let the group know that I have successfully IPL'ed z/OS 2.2. I had to run Hercules from the command line. Before I was using HercGUI. When using HercGUI, someone on the list had suggested I turn on tracing which I did. They viewed that trace and didn't see anything useful. Next, another person asked me to turn on CCW tracing for the IPL/RES volume which I did. However under HercGUI, I started receiving an out of memory error (Windows out of memory). I ran Hercules from the command line in hopes of eliminating the out of memory condition. This did eliminated the out of memory condition. Hercules ran for several hours, but from the console display of the trace data, I determined that I was past the point where the wait state 078 had occurred. So, I turned off the two traces and magically z/OS 2.2 IPL'ed.
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Em sexta-feira, novembro 6, 2015, 20:50, ***@netscape.com [hercules-390] <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> escreveu:

 
Sorry for hijacking the thread mid-stream.  I wanted to let the group know that I have successfully IPL'ed z/OS 2.2. I had to run Hercules from the command line.  Before I was using HercGUI.  When using HercGUI, someone on the list had suggested I turn on tracing which I did. They viewed that trace and didn't see anything useful.  Next, another person asked me to turn on CCW tracing for the IPL/RES volume which I did.  However under HercGUI, I started receiving an out of memory error (Windows out of memory).  I ran Hercules from the command line in hopes of eliminating the out of memory condition. This did eliminated the out of memory condition. Hercules ran for several hours, but from the console display of the trace data, I determined that I was past the point where the wait state 078 had occurred.  So, I turned off the two traces and magically z/OS 2.2 IPL'ed.
Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2015-10-29 21:44:26 UTC
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Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
On 10/29/2015 04:59 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
Post by 'Norman.Hollander' ***@desertwiz.biz [hercules-390]
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under z/VM.
Works great!
Wow, this one sure caught MY attention. I'd like to learn more about
Sysplex operations; do you know offhand if it'd be practical to set up a
similar environment using instances of OS/390 under VM/ESA? Would the
lack of a virtual coupling facility screw me?
Thanks,
-Dave
It will screw you (won't work) under Hercules - because Hercules does
not have the ICF code (it's ILC - Internal Licenced Code) we cannot
distribute (but z/PDT can).

--Ivan



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Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
On 10/29/2015 04:59 PM, 'Norman.Hollander'
I actually run z/VM 6.3 on my zPDT. I run z/OS in a 4-way Sysplex under
z/VM.
Works great!
Wow, this one sure caught MY attention. I'd like to learn more about
Sysplex operations; do you know offhand if it'd be practical to set up a
similar environment using instances of OS/390 under VM/ESA? Would the
lack of a virtual coupling facility screw me?
It will screw you (won't work) under Hercules - because Hercules does
not have the ICF code (it's ILC - Internal Licenced Code) we cannot
distribute (but z/PDT can).
Ahh ok, I understand, thank you for the info. I will see about trying
it on real iron.

-Dave
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New Kensington, PA


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On Thu, 10/29/15, Your Appalling Lack of Manners ***@openmailbox.org [hercules-390] <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [hercules-390] z/OS 2.2
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2015, 12:06 PM



On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:14:17 +0100

"Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com
[hercules-390]"
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:06 PM, 'John P.
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Please let IBM speak for itself.
________________________________
Posted by: "John P. Hartmann"
________________________________
When hobbyists are running decades old public domain
versions of IBM's
software, IBM is probably not going to make an issue of
that.



If you're not on IBM's payroll then who's paying
you to be their policeman?

How do you know what IBM policies are? Nobody can make an
issue of running

code that's in the public domain. Your comment is an
inane tautology

whether you realize it or not. The rest of your comments are
simply inane,

failing to be tautological much less logical.
At some point though, when people are using licensed
current versions of
their software on an emulator, IBM is going to notice.
And if enough
people do so, IBM at some point is going to come after
the emulator.



That's going to be an awfully difficult job. You see,
the emulator is open

source and there are enough copies in the wild already. Even
if Big Brother

DMCA'd them all today they'll never all be rooted
out. Never, I tell you.
Im no lawyer
Yes, we got it. You're a wanna be policeman. But you
never made it through

the academy did you?
but how it looks to me is that current licenses do not
allow you to run
these versions of IBM's software on anything other
than their hardware.



And how do you fit into the equation again?
At some point, the community is going to have to accept
the fact that some
combinations are currently considered illegal. If you
dont agree with
that, it looks like you have to take it to court to
settle the dispute.



I fail to see how that concerns you or how you believe to
have the authority

to direct "the community" to behave according to
your ignorant

malinterpretation of the situation. You're new here.
Let's keep it that way.
Until then, I would really feel bad if IBM decides to
declare all uses of
the emulator as illegal because of these types of
usage.



That is a practical impossibility.
My 2$.
Dear Heavens it wasn't worth nearly that much. I think
you owe "the

community" a rather red-faced apology for your
appalling lack of manners

and assholier than thou posts on the subject.




Is there some reason that you have to hide behind a false name to berate a person who is new within the last month? You chew someone out publicly and beat him down until he doesn't want to participate. Yes he shouldn't have sent the pirate comment but you should have explained why not. It is you who should apologize for your language.

Laddie Hanus
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Hi Richard, I'd like to help you. Please contact me crcATalce1.tuttopmi.it (change AT into @). Regards Paul
rpinion@netscape.com [hercules-390]
2015-11-09 14:57:12 UTC
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Another update to mz z/OS 2.2 IPL on Hercules. I tried to IPL this morning and it DID NOT work.
I thought I was going crazy because I know I did it late Friday afternoon. I scratched my head
trying to think what could possible be different. Then I remembered that when I successfully
IPL'ed 2.2, I was only running one instance of Hercules, command line. Whereas when the
2.2 IPL's would fail, I was running two instances of HercGUI. One instance was the 2.1 system,
of which the 2.2 volumes were initially attached. Before IPL'ing 2.2, from the second HercGUI,
I would detach 2.2 volumes from the 2.1 HercGUI.


So, I shutdown the 2.1 HercGUI, meaning there were NO instances of Hercules running, and
started one HercGUI pointing to the 2.2 CNF files. And the IPL was successful!


The problem was NOT corrected by running 2.2 under Hercules command line, but by running only
one instance of Hercules, whether command line or HercGUI. You're probably saying to yourself
why on earth did he try to run HercGUI/Hercules twice? For the reason noted above. As I test a
new O/S, I encounter problems. It was much faster to detach/attach the new O/S volumes so I
could correct the error and try the IPL again on the second instance.
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2015-11-10 01:15:29 UTC
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What version of Hercules re you running?
Post by ***@netscape.com [hercules-390]
Another update to mz z/OS 2.2 IPL on Hercules. I tried to IPL this
morning and it DID NOT work.
I thought I was going crazy because I know I did it late Friday
afternoon. I scratched my head
trying to think what could possible be different. Then I remembered
that when I successfully
IPL'ed 2.2, I was only running one instance of Hercules, command line.
Whereas when the
2.2 IPL's would fail, I was running two instances of HercGUI. One
instance was the 2.1 system,
of which the 2.2 volumes were initially attached. Before IPL'ing 2.2,
from the second HercGUI,
I would detach 2.2 volumes from the 2.1 HercGUI.
So, I shutdown the 2.1 HercGUI, meaning there were NO instances of Hercules running, and
started one HercGUI pointing to the 2.2 CNF files. And the IPL was successful!
The problem was NOT corrected by running 2.2 under Hercules command
line, but by running only
one instance of Hercules, whether command line or HercGUI. You're
probably saying to yourself
why on earth did he try to run HercGUI/Hercules twice? For the reason
noted above. As I test a
new O/S, I encounter problems. It was much faster to detach/attach
the new O/S volumes so I
could correct the error and try the IPL again on the second instance.
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' Richard Pinion' rpinion@netscape.com [hercules-390]
2015-11-10 12:21:15 UTC
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On 09/11/15 14:57, ***@netscape.com [hercules-390] wrote:<BR>
&gt; Another update to mz z/OS 2.2 IPL on Hercules. I tried to IPL this <BR>
&gt; morning and it DID NOT work.<BR>
&gt; I thought I was going crazy because I know I did it late Friday <BR>
&gt; afternoon. I scratched my head<BR>
&gt; trying to think what could possible be different. Then I remembered <BR>
&gt; that when I successfully<BR>
&gt; IPL'ed 2.2, I was only running one instance of Hercules, command line. <BR>
&gt; Whereas when the<BR>
&gt; 2.2 IPL's would fail, I was running two instances of HercGUI. One <BR>
&gt; instance was the 2.1 system,<BR>
&gt; of which the 2.2 volumes were initially attached. Before IPL'ing 2.2, <BR>
&gt; from the second HercGUI,<BR>
&gt; I would detach 2.2 volumes from the 2.1 HercGUI.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; So, I shutdown the 2.1 HercGUI, meaning there were NO instances of <BR>
&gt; Hercules running, and<BR>
&gt; started one HercGUI pointing to the 2.2 CNF files. And the IPL was <BR>
&gt; successful!<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; The problem was NOT corrected by running 2.2 under Hercules command <BR>
&gt; line, but by running only<BR>
&gt; one instance of Hercules, whether command line or HercGUI. You're <BR>
&gt; probably saying to yourself<BR>
&gt; why on earth did he try to run HercGUI/Hercules twice? For the reason <BR>
&gt; noted above. As I test a<BR>
&gt; new O/S, I encounter problems. It was much faster to detach/attach <BR>
&gt; the new O/S volumes so I<BR>
&gt; could correct the error and try the IPL again on the second instance.<BR>
&gt; <BR>
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Brian_Westerman@SyzygyInc.com [hercules-390]
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Did anyone ever get a resolution for this problem?

I am getting the error on zos 2.2 with hercules 3.13 and also with hyperion 4.0.

Any help would be appreciated.

Brian
Brian_Westerman@SyzygyInc.com [hercules-390]
2017-10-18 09:33:24 UTC
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that I'm getting a waits state 072 at IPL

Brian

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