Surely Yahoo has an "abandoned group" recovery procedure? Has anyone
On 05/01/2018 02:04 AM, ''Fish' (David B. Trout)'
Post by '\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by wilfred kazoks ***@bigpond.net.au [hercules-390]
I am a member of another Yahoo group that was recently
moved to Groups.io. I don't know how the move was done
but everything seems to be there.
If Yahoo groups gets shut down It can't hurt to have a plan B.
Although I'm not saying Groups.io is demonstrably better from
my occasional user POV. It seems to works smoothly.
While someone could certainly create a new hercules-390 group at
groups.io, the automatic groups.io transferring of our existing Yahoo
group data (YEARS of archived posts, uploaded files, etc) is,
unfortunately, NOT going to work.
The reason why it's not going to work becomes apparent at 0:38 mark into
"Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups IO - Initiating Transfer (Part 2)"
That right there is the showstopper. :(
As far as I know, there is NO WAY for anyone OTHER than the group
owner(s) to invite someone to join a Yahoo group!
Why is that a problem you ask?
Because, as far as I know, JAY MAYNARD is the owner of the hercules-390
Yahoo group, and Jay Maynard is missing in action.
I've tried several times of the past several years to send him in email
asking him to please turn over control of the group to someone else if
he is no longer interested in Hercules or administering the group, and I
never received a reply. I'm not even sure the last email address I have
for him is even valid. I don't remember it bouncing, so I suspect it
might still be good (jmaynard at conmicro dotcom), but he is just not
responding. Has his email address changed? Who knows! Maybe one or more
of you other long time high profile members can have better luck getting
hold of him. Maybe he is purposely ignoring me but might not ignore you.
Who knows? All I know is I myself have been unable to contact him for
several years now.
I also recall having posted a message to the Hercules-Advocacy group
that he setup years ago too (hercules-advocacy at yahoogroups dotcom) --
which is a moderated group -- only to eventually receive an automated
reply many days later that the moderator failed to approve my post.
He didn't reject it. He just never responded to it. He just let it rot
in his inbox and let Yahoo's automatic handling let me know it was never
So that tells me he is NOT following through with his administrative
duties regarding administration of the Yahoo groups that he created and
is administrator/owner of (hercules-390 and hercules-advocacy and who
knows how many others).
So.... until we can somehow resolve the owner/administrator problem
regarding our existing hercules-390 Yahoo group, doing a groups.io
automated transfer is just NOT going to work since doing the "invite" is
currently impossible (and that's Step #1!).
BUT... like I said, we COULD maybe create a new groups.io group and then
have someone post a message to our existing hercules-390 Yahoo group on
a regular basis (say, every few days or so) letting existing members and
lurkers and new members that the group is no longer active and that they
should instead join our new groups.io group. We could try that.
But we'd of course lose all of our many years of archived posts.
As far as all of the uploaded files that exist in our existing Files
area goes, since any existing member can easily download them, we COULD
transfer them over to our new groups.io group, but it would be a PITA
since there are so many. (But it *could* be done.)
So there's the issues.
A decision has to be made.
And I'm not sure who needs to make it.
Is it a decision that we, the group, make together? (We have over 7000
Or is it a decision just a few select members needs to make? (And if so,
who are those people? Who do we decide makes that decision?)
I have no answers to any of these questions.
I just want to get the HELL OFF OF YAHOO as soon as possible.
(I sure as hell hope this post gets through! I see my earlier "test"
posting FINALLY made their way to the group (days and days later!), so
*hopefully* this one will too. We'll see.)
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories