[hercules-390] hercules and z/;os

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HELLO GOOD MORNING
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

hugs
afonso
Sao Paulo Brazil

[Gerhard Postpischil [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,

r 00,'U'

note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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[Afonso Moreira [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

HI Gerhard Postpischil

sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it

as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and
system says type 00,

do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??

tks
afonso

Post by Gerhard Postpischil ***@charter.net [hercules-390]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,
r 00,'U'
note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions..
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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You need to type it all as one line:


R 00,U


Until the console services are available you need to prefix each reply with R and then the number of the reply like R 01,U or R 02, etc.



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HI Gerhard Postpischil

sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it

as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and
system says type 00,

do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??

tks
afonso

Post by Gerhard Postpischil ***@charter.net [hercules-390]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,
r 00,'U'
note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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[[e-mail] [hercules-390]]

There's still no screenshot.

You need to provide the full exact message
and the full exact command you are using,
and the full exact response you get.

You probably need to type:

r 00,u

to solve your problem. Have you tried typing that?

BFN. Paul.




---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

HI Gerhard Postpischil

sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it

as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and
system says type 00,

do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??

tks
afonso

Post by Gerhard Postpischil ***@charter.net [hercules-390]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,
r 00,'U'
note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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Afonso Jose Moreira
(11) 952946602


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[Rob Osattin [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Sorry if I’ve missed an earlier message. Is someone running z/os on Hercules? Where can one get it (z/os)?

Rob Osattin
Atlanta

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Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
There's still no screenshot.
You need to provide the full exact message
and the full exact command you are using,
and the full exact response you get.
r 00,u
to solve your problem. Have you tried typing that?
BFN. Paul.
HI Gerhard Postpischil
sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it
as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and
system says type 00,
do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??
tks
afonso

Post by Gerhard Postpischil ***@charter.net [hercules-390]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,
r 00,'U'
note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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[[e-mail] [hercules-390]]

I believe lots of people are running z/OS on
Hercules, but they mainly keep quiet about
it because it's technically illegal.

But my understanding is that you need to
find the "ADCD" on the internet somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered
to do that search. I use MVS/380 instead.

Note that IBM offers a legal way of running
z/OS on your PC and charges something
like US$6000/year for it.

BFN. Paul.




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Sorry if I’ve missed an earlier message. Is someone running z/os on Hercules? Where can one get it (z/os)?

Rob Osattin
Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2018, at 11:05 AM, ***@... mailto:***@... [hercules-390] <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


There's still no screenshot.

You need to provide the full exact message
and the full exact command you are using,
and the full exact response you get.

You probably need to type:

r 00,u

to solve your problem. Have you tried typing that?

BFN. Paul.

---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

HI Gerhard Postpischil

sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it

as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and
system says type 00,

do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??

tks
afonso

Post by Gerhard Postpischil ***@charter.net [hercules-390]

Post by ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to
give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to
log in anymore. can anybody help me?
i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u
or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping

I didn't see any screen shot attached, but replies normally specify a
reply number and the text of the reply, e.g.,
r 00,'U'
note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at
IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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['Dave Wade' [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Paul,

Whilst in recent years its been pretty standardized, it still depends on local legislation. What is clear is that in most countries simply copying and possessing the software is illegal, plain and simple, no technicality, even if you don't use it. What I am not clear on is, given that you have copied it, and have not signed any licence or agreed to any licence, is using it an additional offence? I think any replies to this should go to one of the legal groups.

Rob, I am told that IBM monitor these groups for illegal activity...

Dave

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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] hercules and z/;os
I believe lots of people are running z/OS on Hercules, but they mainly keep
quiet about it because it's technically illegal.
But my understanding is that you need to find the "ADCD" on the internet
somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered to do that search. I use MVS/380
instead.
Note that IBM offers a legal way of running z/OS on your PC and charges
something like US$6000/year for it.
BFN. Paul.
Sorry if I’ve missed an earlier message. Is someone running z/os on
Hercules? Where can one get it (z/os)?
Rob Osattin
Atlanta
Sent from my iPhone
There's still no screenshot.
You need to provide the full exact message and the full exact command you
are using, and the full exact response you get.
r 00,u
to solve your problem. Have you tried typing that?
BFN. Paul.
HI Gerhard Postpischil
sorry i forgot attach screen, here is it
as i said, i replly with '00' systems says, u or d, i type u or d and system says
type 00,
do i need type another thing or only 00 or r,??
tks
afonso

I've been using Hercules for a long time, but these days I started to > >

give the error according to the attached screen and I was not able to > > log
in anymore. can anybody help me?

i type 'U' and the systems says 'type 00', i type 00 and it says type u > >

or d, but allways in theses 2 questions like a looping > I didn't see any screen
shot attached, but replies normally specify a > reply number and the text of
the reply, e.g., > > r 00,'U'

note that the number will vary from 00 upwards, and usually (except at >

IPL) is shown in the message. IPL stays at 00 for the first few questions..

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
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It looks like they've changed the pricing. I remember when Sipples announced it on IBM-MAIN long ago, it was around $10K which was $5K for the key and software and another $5K for a year's maintenance or some such. Looking at the page today, now it's $299 for the stick and $3750 for the annual licence fee. You still have to be a PartnerWorld member though, so not just anybody can waltz in and buy one. The price is pretty good, considering it's IBM we're talking about here.




---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I believe lots of people are running z/OS on
Hercules, but they mainly keep quiet about
it because it's technically illegal.

But my understanding is that you need to
find the "ADCD" on the internet somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered
to do that search. I use MVS/380 instead.

Note that IBM offers a legal way of running
z/OS on your PC and charges something
like US$6000/year for it.

BFN. Paul.

[[e-mail] [hercules-390]]

No, there is no PartnerWorld membership required, anybody who is willing to spend the money can just go ahead and buy it, like any other product IBM is selling. There exist fixed term and perpetual licenses and both are quite attractively priced nowadays. Perhaps still upper limit for pure hobbyists, but on the other hand: I know of hobbys being much more expensive ;-)

The website


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html


has all information needed to get an impression of the product.


Cheers
JÃŒrgen

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It looks like they've changed the pricing. I remember when Sipples announced it on IBM-MAIN long ago, it was around $10K which was $5K for the key and software and another $5K for a year's maintenance or some such. Looking at the page today, now it's $299 for the stick and $3750 for the annual licence fee. You still have to be a PartnerWorld member though, so not just anybody can waltz in and buy one. The price is pretty good, considering it's IBM we're talking about here.




---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I believe lots of people are running z/OS on
Hercules, but they mainly keep quiet about
it because it's technically illegal.

But my understanding is that you need to
find the "ADCD" on the internet somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered
to do that search. I use MVS/380 instead.

Note that IBM offers a legal way of running
z/OS on your PC and charges something
like US$6000/year for it.

BFN. Paul.

[Giuseppe Vitillaro [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by ***@id.ethz.ch [hercules-390]
No, there is no PartnerWorld membership required, anybody who is willing
to spend the money can just go ahead and buy it, like any other product
IBM is selling. There exist fixed term and perpetual licenses and both
are quite attractively priced nowadays. Perhaps still upper limit for
pure hobbyists, but on the other hand: I know of hobbys being much more
expensive ;-)
The website
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html
has all information needed to get an impression of the product.
Cheers
Jürgen

Still expensive, at least for me, but nice to know
"mom" now sell the product to anyone willing to
buy it.

I've just read about RedHat being bought by IBM,
for around 34G$.

Any open IBM will open its mainframe policies,
and lower the price for its emulator, after this
step?

Peppe.

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[Giuseppe Vitillaro [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by Giuseppe Vitillaro ***@vitillaro.org [hercules-390]

Post by ***@id.ethz.ch [hercules-390]
No, there is no PartnerWorld membership required, anybody who is willing
to spend the money can just go ahead and buy it, like any other product
IBM is selling. There exist fixed term and perpetual licenses and both
are quite attractively priced nowadays. Perhaps still upper limit for
pure hobbyists, but on the other hand: I know of hobbys being much more
expensive ;-)
The website
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt..overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html
has all information needed to get an impression of the product.
Cheers
Jürgen

Still expensive, at least for me, but nice to know
"mom" now sell the product to anyone willing to
buy it.
I've just read about RedHat being bought by IBM,
for around 34G$.
Any open IBM will open its mainframe policies,

Ops. Read "hope", not "open", apologies ;-(

Post by Giuseppe Vitillaro ***@vitillaro.org [hercules-390]
and lower the price for its emulator, after this
step?
Peppe.
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[Mike Schwab [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Application-Development/A-Mainframe-at-Your-Fingertips

Tailor Made
The zPDT technology is available in two versions designed for two
distinct purposes. Any System z customer, service providers, business
partners and ISVs can get the simpler version as part of the Rational
Developer for System z Unit Test (RDz-UT) offer. The RDz-UT is for
single-image, pre-production z/OS sandbox environments only. It may
not be used for production workloads, including production module
builds, pre-production testing, stress testing or performance testing
– access to a full-size production z/OS system is required.

IBM PartnerWorld ISVs can get zPDT technology as part of the IBM
System z Developer Discount Program (zDD). Nomination for the program
can be done online. Under the zDD program, qualified ISVs can use zPDT
technology with any number of OSs, images and users. It’s ideal for
supporting multiple environments and configurations.

My understanding is that for an extra $1K/year
you don't need to be a PartnerWorld member,
ie anyone can waltz in and buy one.
BFN. Paul.
It looks like they've changed the pricing. I remember when Sipples announced it on IBM-MAIN long ago, it was around $10K which was $5K for the key and software and another $5K for a year's maintenance or some such. Looking at the page today, now it's $299 for the stick and $3750 for the annual licence fee. You still have to be a PartnerWorld member though, so not just anybody can waltz in and buy one. The price is pretty good, considering it's IBM we're talking about here.
I believe lots of people are running z/OS on
Hercules, but they mainly keep quiet about
it because it's technically illegal.
But my understanding is that you need to
find the "ADCD" on the internet somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered
to do that search. I use MVS/380 instead.
Note that IBM offers a legal way of running
z/OS on your PC and charges something
like US$6000/year for it.
BFN. Paul.
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Hi Mike


The article you mention ist dated from 2011. The z/PDT technology, as well as packaging, licensing and pricing have significantly changed since. I'd recommend sending people directly to IBM's official websites for the ZD&T offering, which have under the topic "ZD&T Personal Edition" exactly the type of information a (potential) hobbyist user will bei interested in. Relevant URLs might be:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html
https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/ https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/


Cheers
JÃŒrgen


---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Application-Development/A-Mainframe-at-Your-Fingertips http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Application-Development/A-Mainframe-at-Your-Fingertips

Tailor Made
The zPDT technology is available in two versions designed for two
distinct purposes. Any System z customer, service providers, business
partners and ISVs can get the simpler version as part of the Rational
Developer for System z Unit Test (RDz-UT) offer. The RDz-UT is for
single-image, pre-production z/OS sandbox environments only. It may
not be used for production workloads, including production module
builds, pre-production testing, stress testing or performance testing
– access to a full-size production z/OS system is required.

IBM PartnerWorld ISVs can get zPDT technology as part of the IBM
System z Developer Discount Program (zDD). Nomination for the program
can be done online. Under the zDD program, qualified ISVs can use zPDT
technology with any number of OSs, images and users. It’s ideal for
supporting multiple environments and configurations.

My understanding is that for an extra $1K/year
you don't need to be a PartnerWorld member,
ie anyone can waltz in and buy one.
BFN. Paul.
It looks like they've changed the pricing. I remember when Sipples announced it on IBM-MAIN long ago, it was around $10K which was $5K for the key and software and another $5K for a year's maintenance or some such. Looking at the page today, now it's $299 for the stick and $3750 for the annual licence fee. You still have to be a PartnerWorld member though, so not just anybody can waltz in and buy one. The price is pretty good, considering it's IBM we're talking about here.
I believe lots of people are running z/OS on
Hercules, but they mainly keep quiet about
it because it's technically illegal.
But my understanding is that you need to
find the "ADCD" on the internet somewhere.
That's all I know. I've never even bothered
to do that search. I use MVS/380 instead.
Note that IBM offers a legal way of running
z/OS on your PC and charges something
like US$6000/year for it.
BFN. Paul.
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[[e-mail] [hercules-390]]

I couldn't find a price on the IBM site but Google turned up another site with prices. $10K apparently gets you the zd&t Personal Edition *with a perpetual licence*. Support after that is $2300 a year, which I spend more than that now on PC tools. I wasn't interested before because you had to cough up the $5K every year to keep the key going, but I could go for the perpetual deal. I'll have to think about this, it's pretty tempting.


---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi Mike


The article you mention ist dated from 2011. The z/PDT technology, as well as packaging, licensing and pricing have significantly changed since. I'd recommend sending people directly to IBM's official websites for the ZD&T offering, which have under the topic "ZD&T Personal Edition" exactly the type of information a (potential) hobbyist user will bei interested in. Relevant URLs might be:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html
https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/ https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/


Cheers
JÃŒrgen

[[e-mail] [hercules-390]]

On more thing should be noted about the perpetual license: You don't have to buy the yearly support as the license is valid forever. So, as long as you don't mind staying on a z/OS version you downloaded shortly before the year of included support expired, you'll be fine forever without paying for further support.


I consider the risk of running without support being very small for hobbyist usage... one typically will not run into severe bugs out of a sudden, after having had the product in use for a year.


However, if one always wants or needs the latest and greatest features of the architecture and of z/OS, the story is of course different: Then nothing helps but paying the yearly support fee.


---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I couldn't find a price on the IBM site but Google turned up another site with prices. $10K apparently gets you the zd&t Personal Edition *with a perpetual licence*. Support after that is $2300 a year, which I spend more than that now on PC tools. I wasn't interested before because you had to cough up the $5K every year to keep the key going, but I could go for the perpetual deal. I'll have to think about this, it's pretty tempting.


---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi Mike


The article you mention ist dated from 2011. The z/PDT technology, as well as packaging, licensing and pricing have significantly changed since. I'd recommend sending people directly to IBM's official websites for the ZD&T offering, which have under the topic "ZD&T Personal Edition" exactly the type of information a (potential) hobbyist user will bei interested in. Relevant URLs might be:


https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.0/com.ibm.zdt.overview.gs.doc/topics/c_product_overview.html
https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/ https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/z-systems-development-test-environment/


Cheers
JÃŒrgen

[Dave McGuire [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by Rob Osattin ***@earthlink.net [hercules-390]
Sorry if I’ve missed an earlier message. Is someone running z/os on
Hercules? Where can one get it (z/os)?

Oh, here we go.

-Dave