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z/vm 5.10 ddr
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rixhawg@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 02:46:17 UTC
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I am attempting to IPL DDR from the z/VM 5.1 install tapes which have been converted to AWS tape format. It will not IPL. I get no PSW wait states, no messages, etc. My configuration is set for an IBM model 2066 with 16g of memory. The tape file is in 3590 format. The tape file is LRECL=80 and BLKSIZE=80. One thing I noticed is that the first record of the tape looks a little weird as it does not look like it has an IPLable format. It is as follows:


02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40000000 00000000 00C1F100 010000C6 00000000 50000000 00000000 01000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 01000093 01051222 29000000 00


Please note that the tape file containing ICKDSF ipls just fine.


Any assistance would be appreciated.


Thank you,
Rick
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 03:47:20 UTC
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I don't know the answer to your question,
but I did convert the hex into displayable
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02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1
PLCHVOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1 F


I don't recognize what that is. It looks like
a "LISTF" display of a VM file.

BFN. Paul.
Mike Schwab Mike.A.Schwab@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 03:54:34 UTC
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The first file is the labels. IPL has to skip over it.
Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
I don't know the answer to your question,
but I did convert the hex into displayable
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1
PLCHVOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1 F
I don't recognize what that is. It looks like
a "LISTF" display of a VM file.
BFN. Paul.
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kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 04:22:41 UTC
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Can you elaborate on that? Does he need
to position the tape on the 2nd file instead
of the first?

Note that the first character in his display
is a x'02' which I think indicates object code.

Also note that I believe a label starts as
"VOL1" as indicated here:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idam300/formds1.htm

BFN. Paul.




---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

The first file is the labels. IPL has to skip over it.
Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
I don't know the answer to your question,
but I did convert the hex into displayable
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1
PLCHVOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1 F
I don't recognize what that is. It looks like
a "LISTF" display of a VM file.
BFN. Paul.
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George Shedlock gshedlock352@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 13:32:22 UTC
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The plch header indicates that this tape was generated by the vmfplc2 dump
utility.
Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
Can you elaborate on that? Does he need
to position the tape on the 2nd file instead
of the first?
Note that the first character in his display
is a x'02' which I think indicates object code.
Also note that I believe a label starts as
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.idam300/formds1.htm
BFN. Paul.
The first file is the labels. IPL has to skip over it.
Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
I don't know the answer to your question,
but I did convert the hex into displayable
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1
PLCHVOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1 F
I don't recognize what that is. It looks like
a "LISTF" display of a VM file.
BFN. Paul.
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mark.gutzwiller@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 05:55:47 UTC
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Paul,
That looks like a VMFPLC2 file header. The block after it would be the first data block of the file. In this case, the file would be VOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1.


If it is a VMFPLC2 file, it can't be IPLed.


Rick,
I use AWSBrowse to check AWS tapes. I find it very handy, you may want to try using it, or something like it, to view the data in the AWS file.


Mark Gutzwilller








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---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I don't know the answer to your question,
but I did convert the hex into displayable
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1
PLCHVOLUME1 VOLUME1 A1 F


I don't recognize what that is. It looks like
a "LISTF" display of a VM file.

BFN. Paul.
Joe Monk joemonk64@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 08:48:28 UTC
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02PLCH ... a VMFPLC2 dump. Not IPLable.

You should be able to restore it using the VMFPLC2 utility in Hercules
Hyperion.

Joe
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
I am attempting to IPL DDR from the z/VM 5.1 install tapes which have been
converted to AWS tape format. It will not IPL. I get no PSW wait states,
no messages, etc. My configuration is set for an IBM model 2066 with 16g
of memory. The tape file is in 3590 format. The tape file is LRECL=80 and
BLKSIZE=80. One thing I noticed is that the first record of the tape looks
a little weird as it does not look like it has an IPLable format. It is as
02D7D3C3 C8E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40E5D6D3 E4D4C5F1 40000000 00000000 00C1F100
010000C6 00000000 50000000 00000000 01000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
01000093 01051222 29000000 00
Please note that the tape file containing ICKDSF ipls just fine.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Rick
Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 09:38:11 UTC
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Post by Joe Monk ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
02PLCH ... a VMFPLC2 dump. Not IPLable.
You should be able to restore it using the VMFPLC2 utility in Hercules
Hyperion.
Joe,

Unfortunately, the hercules VMFPLC2 utility only works the other way
around (it is designed to create VMFPLC2 tapes from host files), but it
won't read VMFPLC2 tape files and certainly won't write files to CMS
volumes !

Without a starter system of some sort, there isn't much that can be done :(

--Ivan



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Mike Stramba mikestramba@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 10:34:03 UTC
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Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Unfortunately, the hercules VMFPLC2 utility only works the other way
around (it is designed to create VMFPLC2 tapes from host files), but it
won't read VMFPLC2 tape files and certainly won't write files to CMS
volumes !
I've used the VMFPLC2 command in the vmR6 sixpack to read / write tapes.

What kind of tapes are those ?

Mike
Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 11:00:53 UTC
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Post by Mike Stramba ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Unfortunately, the hercules VMFPLC2 utility only works the other way
around (it is designed to create VMFPLC2 tapes from host files), but it
won't read VMFPLC2 tape files and certainly won't write files to CMS
volumes !
I've used the VMFPLC2 command in the vmR6 sixpack to read / write tapes.
What kind of tapes are those ?
Mike
Mike,

I was talking about the vmfplc2 utility that is part of hercules that
can be run on the host (not the VMFPLC2 MODULE on a guest VM system).

PS : You are going to have problems by loading z/VM 5 VMFPLC2 tape unto
a VM/370 system - and use those on a z/VM 5 system.. VM/370 uses a
completely different CMS Filesystem than z/VM 5.

VM/370 CMS exclusively uses a 800 Byte/Block system with a limitation of
64K Records per file.. Starting with VM/SP, the EDF system was
introduced using 512/1024/2048/4096 Bytes/Block system and 2G Records
limitation. At a certain point (Probably around VM/ESA), IBM dropped the
original 800 Bytes/Block system for CMS and those minidisk can no longer
be used (read or written).

The solution lies elsewhere (z/VM 5.3 eval system maybe - but this
requires some intricate fiddling)

--Ivan




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Joe Monk joemonk64@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 12:01:10 UTC
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Ivan,

I thought he could use the LOAD function to change the VMFPLC2 tape into a
regular HET tape. Wouldn't it then be restorable with IBCDMPRS?

Joe
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Post by Joe Monk ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
02PLCH ... a VMFPLC2 dump. Not IPLable.
You should be able to restore it using the VMFPLC2 utility in Hercules
Hyperion.
Joe,
Unfortunately, the hercules VMFPLC2 utility only works the other way
around (it is designed to create VMFPLC2 tapes from host files), but it
won't read VMFPLC2 tape files and certainly won't write files to CMS
volumes !
Without a starter system of some sort, there isn't much that can be done :(
--Ivan
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Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2018-11-14 12:10:29 UTC
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Post by Joe Monk ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Ivan,
I thought he could use the LOAD function to change the VMFPLC2 tape
into a regular HET tape. Wouldn't it then be restorable with IBCDMPRS?
Joe
Joe,

Tapes created by the vmfplc2 hercules utility are AWS/HET emulated tape
files.. I have no idea what IBCDMPRS is (I suspect it is a some sort of
MVS DUMP/RESTORE format... which is a completely different beast)!

--Ivan



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laddiehanus@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Are you IPL'ing the right tape? The original tape should have had an external label saying something like z/VM System DDR. First file should be a standalone ICKDSF 2nd file is standalone DDR followed by a dump of the staterpack.



How to restore it is documented in the z/VM installation guide. The newest VM I have worked with is 4.2


The tape that looks like VMFPLC2 is more than likely a product tape used later on in the install process


Laddie Hanus

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