z/VM console problem

Hi Paolo,

Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config file there will
be line like:

CNSLPORT 3270

which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to connect to.
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).

Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules config file.

Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

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notturnove

2005-09-09 23:41:13 UTC

Hi Peter,
thank for your fast reply.
I'm trying to install z/VM under linux/intel system and i'm using
X3270 emulator.
In config file I have
CNSLPORT 3270
This is my config file:

CPUSERIAL 002623 # CPU serial number
CPUMODEL 2600 # CPU model number
# CPUVERID FD # CPU Version Identification
MAINSIZE 512 # Main storage size in megabytes
XPNDSIZE 0 # Expanded storage size in megabytes
NUMCPU 1 # Number of CPUs
PGMPRDOS LICENSED # Run licensed program (VM VSE MVS)
# PGMPRDOS RESTRICTED # Run IFL program LINUX
# NUMVEC 1 # Number of Vector Processors
ARCHMODE ESAME
ECPSVM NO # VM Assist : NO or Level
LOADPARM 120..... # IPL parameter
OSTAILOR VM # OS tailoring
SYSEPOCH 1900 # Base year for initial TOD clock
# TZOFFSET 0 # Using UTC (GMT)
MODPATH /usr/local/lib/hercules # Where to search for modules
# LDMOD dyninst tcpip # Modules to be loaded
CODEPAGE default # CodePage conversion table
DIAG8CMD disable # OS may not issue commands
HTTPPORT 8081 noauth userid password # HTTP server port
# HTTPROOT /usr/local/share/hercules/ # HTTP root directory
PANRATE FAST # Panel refresh rate
CNSLPORT 3270 # TCP port number to which consoles
000C 3505 ./util/zzsacard.bin
000D 3525 punch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 print00e.txt crlf
0200.3 3270

I'm using this environment:
Hercules Version 3.02
(c)Copyright 1999-2004 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
Built on Sep 7 2005 at 22:53:58
Build information:
Modes: S/370 ESA/390 ESAME
Using setresuid() for setting privileges
With Dynamic loading support
Loadable module default base directory is /usr/local/lib/hercules
Using shared libraries
No external GUI support
HTTP Server support
HTTP document default root directory is /usr/local/share/hercules
National Language Support

Running on Linux i686 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002

THANKS , Paolo

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config file there will
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to

connect to.

Post by Peter Vels
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules config file.
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received the following messages in

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

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notturnove

2005-09-09 23:41:50 UTC

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config file there will
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to

connect to.

Post by Peter Vels
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules config file.
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received the following messages in

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

Paul Raulerson

2005-09-10 01:19:27 UTC

You need to set the IPL Parms correctly. You can find the
instructions for each step of the IPL process, including what to set
the IPL parameters to
on the quick install sheet that came with your distribution.

-Paul

Post by notturnove
Hi Peter,
thank for your fast reply.
I'm trying to install z/VM under linux/intel system and i'm using
X3270 emulator.
In config file I have
CNSLPORT 3270
CPUSERIAL 002623 # CPU serial number
CPUMODEL 2600 # CPU model number
# CPUVERID FD # CPU Version Identification
MAINSIZE 512 # Main storage size in megabytes
XPNDSIZE 0 # Expanded storage size in megabytes
NUMCPU 1 # Number of CPUs
PGMPRDOS LICENSED # Run licensed program (VM VSE MVS)
# PGMPRDOS RESTRICTED # Run IFL program LINUX
# NUMVEC 1 # Number of Vector Processors
ARCHMODE ESAME
ECPSVM NO # VM Assist : NO or Level
LOADPARM 120..... # IPL parameter
OSTAILOR VM # OS tailoring
SYSEPOCH 1900 # Base year for initial TOD clock
# TZOFFSET 0 # Using UTC (GMT)
MODPATH /usr/local/lib/hercules # Where to search for modules
# LDMOD dyninst tcpip # Modules to be loaded
CODEPAGE default # CodePage conversion table
DIAG8CMD disable # OS may not issue commands
HTTPPORT 8081 noauth userid password # HTTP server port
# HTTPROOT /usr/local/share/hercules/ # HTTP root directory
PANRATE FAST # Panel refresh rate
CNSLPORT 3270 # TCP port number to which consoles
000C 3505 ./util/zzsacard.bin
000D 3525 punch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 print00e.txt crlf
0200.3 3270
Hercules Version 3.02
(c)Copyright 1999-2004 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
Built on Sep 7 2005 at 22:53:58
Modes: S/370 ESA/390 ESAME
Using setresuid() for setting privileges
With Dynamic loading support
Loadable module default base directory is /usr/local/lib/hercules
Using shared libraries
No external GUI support
HTTP Server support
HTTP document default root directory is /usr/local/share/hercules
National Language Support
Running on Linux i686 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002
THANKS , Paolo

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config file

there will

Post by Peter Vels
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to

connect to.

Post by Peter Vels
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules config

file.

Post by Peter Vels
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received the following messages in

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

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notturnove

2005-09-10 11:34:09 UTC

i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module) works
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
My dubt is :
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Post by Paul Raulerson
You need to set the IPL Parms correctly. You can find the
instructions for each step of the IPL process, including what to set
the IPL parameters to
on the quick install sheet that came with your distribution.
-Paul

megabytes

Post by notturnove
NUMCPU 1 # Number of CPUs
PGMPRDOS LICENSED # Run licensed program (VM VSE MVS)
# PGMPRDOS RESTRICTED # Run IFL program LINUX
# NUMVEC 1 # Number of Vector Processors
ARCHMODE ESAME
ECPSVM NO # VM Assist : NO or Level
LOADPARM 120..... # IPL parameter
OSTAILOR VM # OS tailoring
SYSEPOCH 1900 # Base year for initial TOD clock
# TZOFFSET 0 # Using UTC (GMT)
MODPATH /usr/local/lib/hercules # Where to search for modules
# LDMOD dyninst tcpip # Modules to be loaded
CODEPAGE default # CodePage conversion table
DIAG8CMD disable # OS may not issue

commands

Post by notturnove
HTTPPORT 8081 noauth userid password # HTTP server port
# HTTPROOT /usr/local/share/hercules/ # HTTP root directory
PANRATE FAST # Panel refresh rate
CNSLPORT 3270 # TCP port number to which

consoles

Post by notturnove
000C 3505 ./util/zzsacard.bin
000D 3525 punch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 print00e.txt crlf
0200.3 3270
Hercules Version 3.02
(c)Copyright 1999-2004 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others
Built on Sep 7 2005 at 22:53:58
Modes: S/370 ESA/390 ESAME
Using setresuid() for setting privileges
With Dynamic loading support
Loadable module default base directory

is /usr/local/lib/hercules

Post by notturnove
Using shared libraries
No external GUI support
HTTP Server support
HTTP document default root directory

is /usr/local/share/hercules

Post by notturnove
National Language Support
Running on Linux i686 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002
THANKS , Paolo

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config file

there will

Post by Peter Vels
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to

connect to.

Post by Peter Vels
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules

config

Post by notturnove
file.

Post by Peter Vels
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
I tried to install z/VM v510 from original DVD using this
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received the following messages in

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

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somitcw

2005-09-10 13:28:48 UTC

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to
pass console address , but the problem
reoccurs. I suppose that iplled module
(zVM DVD installation module) works only
with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270
Console of HMC ?

Post by Paul Raulerson
You need to set the IPL Parms
correctly. You can find the
instructions for each step of the IPL
process, including what to set the
IPL parameters to on the quick install
sheet that came with your distribution.
-Paul
On Sep 9, 2005, at 6:41 PM,

Post by notturnove
Hi Peter,
thank for your fast reply.
I'm trying to install z/VM under
linux/intel system and i'm using
X3270 emulator.
In config file I have
CNSLPORT 3270

You should remove. To override the
normal TN3270 port to something else
only causes confusion later. Unless you
have a real need to use strange ports,
don't do it.

Post by notturnove
CPUSERIAL 002623 # CPU serial number
CPUMODEL 2600 # CPU model number
# CPUVERID FD # CPU Version Identification
MAINSIZE 512 # Main storage size in megabytes
XPNDSIZE 0 # Expanded storage size in megabytes
NUMCPU 1 # Number of CPUs
PGMPRDOS LICENSED # Run licensed program (VM VSE MVS)

Pay close attention to the write up
on the above parameter.

Post by notturnove
# PGMPRDOS RESTRICTED # Run IFL program LINUX
# NUMVEC 1 # Number of Vector Processors
ARCHMODE ESAME
ECPSVM NO # VM Assist : NO or Level
LOADPARM 120..... # IPL parameter

What console is 120..... ?
Is the truncated 3 digits of 4 in you
configuration file?

You should ask a VM group, but I believe
that the format is something like:
LOADPARM CNSL0120
But since you don't have a 120 CRT, it won't
work anyway.

Make certain that you TN3270 connect to
the non-existent CRT before you attempt IPL.

Post by notturnove
OSTAILOR VM # OS tailoring
SYSEPOCH 1900 # Base year for initial TOD clock
# TZOFFSET 0 # Using UTC (GMT)
MODPATH /usr/local/lib/hercules # Where to search for modules
# LDMOD dyninst tcpip # Modules to be loaded
CODEPAGE default # CodePage conversion table
DIAG8CMD disable # OS may not issue commands
HTTPPORT 8081 noauth userid password # HTTP server port
# HTTPROOT /usr/local/share/hercules/ # HTTP root directory
PANRATE FAST # Panel refresh rate
CNSLPORT 3270 # TCP port number to which consoles
000C 3505 ./util/zzsacard.bin
000D 3525 punch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 print00e.txt crlf
0200.3 3270

No disks and no console. You will have
to attach and connect to a console before IPL.
Can VM run without page space? Interesting

Post by notturnove
Hercules Version 3.02
(c)Copyright 1999-2004 by Roger Bowler,
Jan Jaeger, and others
Built on Sep 7 2005 at 22:53:58
Modes: S/370 ESA/390 ESAME
Using setresuid() for setting privileges
With Dynamic loading support
Loadable module default base directory
is /usr/local/lib/hercules
Using shared libraries
No external GUI support
HTTP Server support
HTTP document default root directory
is /usr/local/share/hercules
National Language Support
Running on Linux i686 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri
Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002
THANKS , Paolo

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator?
In your hercules config file there
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this
example it's port 3270) to connect to.
Connect your emulator that port (not
port 23).

If you have to use a strange port, why
not use one really weird? i.e. port 21,
22, 80, etc.

Post by Peter Vels
Hope this helps. If it doesn't,
please post your hercules config
file.
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
I tried to install z/VM v510 from
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE
AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

Did you report to IBM that the message
stutters?

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2005-09-10 13:36:48 UTC

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module) works
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Post by Paul Raulerson
You need to set the IPL Parms correctly. You can find the
instructions for each step of the IPL process, including what to

set

Post by Paul Raulerson
the IPL parameters to
on the quick install sheet that came with your distribution.
-Paul

megabytes

Post by notturnove
NUMCPU 1 # Number of CPUs
PGMPRDOS LICENSED # Run licensed program (VM VSE

MVS)

Post by notturnove
# PGMPRDOS RESTRICTED # Run IFL program LINUX
# NUMVEC 1 # Number of Vector Processors
ARCHMODE ESAME
ECPSVM NO # VM Assist : NO or Level
LOADPARM 120..... # IPL parameter
OSTAILOR VM # OS tailoring
SYSEPOCH 1900 # Base year for initial TOD clock
# TZOFFSET 0 # Using UTC (GMT)
MODPATH /usr/local/lib/hercules # Where to search for

modules

Post by notturnove
# LDMOD dyninst tcpip # Modules to be loaded
CODEPAGE default # CodePage conversion

table

Post by notturnove
DIAG8CMD disable # OS may not issue

commands

consoles

is /usr/local/lib/hercules

Post by notturnove
Using shared libraries
No external GUI support
HTTP Server support
HTTP document default root directory

is /usr/local/share/hercules

Post by notturnove
National Language Support
Running on Linux i686 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:14:56 UTC 2002
THANKS , Paolo

Post by Peter Vels
Hi Paolo,
Have you connected a 3270 emulator? In your hercules config

file

Post by notturnove
there will

Post by Peter Vels
CNSLPORT 3270
which tells you what port (in this example it's port 3270) to

connect to.

Post by Peter Vels
Connect your emulator that port (not port 23).
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, please post your hercules

config

Post by notturnove
file.

Post by Peter Vels
Cheers,
Peter

Post by notturnove
I tried to install z/VM v510 from original DVD using this
ipl /cdrom/CPDVD/510.ins
but after a few seconds i received the following messages in

<snip>

Post by notturnove
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Disable wait 1010 means : NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390
http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules
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Doug Carroll

2005-09-10 18:35:08 UTC

Everything I have been reading about Hercules indicates that the SYSG console is not supported by Hercules. the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install of z/VM could not be done currently. the CD install (which is being discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe) supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx to tell it your installation console. the DVD is much different. it's not a DDR restore process as is the Tape/CDROM method

the DVD also has higher memory requirements. a Tape install needs about 64meg to get going whereas a DVD is 512meg most of this is used as a started system which is loaded into memory unlike the DDR method. Its that starter system (a mini VM system) that doesn't know about anything except SYSG console.

Setting your IPL PARMS will do no good far as I know since they will not be used by the starter system

That's my understanding of the topic anyways.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module) works
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Yes, the Hercules window itself will assume this function.

BTW, i have seen no DASD addr speficications in your config file ....

PS: you should know your starter system i/o config and code it into the
hercules config file, shouldn't you ??

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2005-09-10 18:46:26 UTC

Connect a 3270 emulator to the console port and it should work. Don't
know for sure, I don't have a license for that, but I see no reason
why it would not.

-Paul

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about Hercules indicates that the
SYSG console is not supported by Hercules. the SYSC is but not the
SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install of z/VM could not be done
currently. the CD install (which is being discontinued in z/VM 5.2
I believe) supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx to tell it your
installation console. the DVD is much different. it's not a DDR
restore process as is the Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a DVD is 512meg most of this is
used as a started system which is loaded into memory unlike the DDR
method. Its that starter system (a mini VM system) that doesn't
know about anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no good far as I know since they
will not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module) works
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Yes, the Hercules window itself will assume this function.
BTW, i have seen no DASD addr speficications in your config
file ....
PS: you should know your starter system i/o config and code it into the
hercules config file, shouldn't you ??
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Doug Carroll

2005-09-10 21:38:43 UTC

It shouldn't work because the SYSG console (Integrated 3270 Console) isn't the same as a console port or the Console Messages used to install Linux.
SYSG is not part of an I/O gen. it's a function provided by the HMC itself, even at an real HMC without the SYSG console up you can not load from the DVD or even FTP due to the missing SYSG console. So I can see a very valid reason why it would not work.

Doug
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To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Connect a 3270 emulator to the console port and it should work. Don't
know for sure, I don't have a license for that, but I see no reason
why it would not.

-Paul

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module) works
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Yes, the Hercules window itself will assume this function.
BTW, i have seen no DASD addr speficications in your config
file ....
PS: you should know your starter system i/o config and code it into the
hercules config file, shouldn't you ??
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notturnove

2005-09-10 21:38:45 UTC

Hi Doug,

I agree with you , Hercules probably does'n support output directed
to HMC Integrated 3270 Console.

I made many tests, but the results are always the same:
DISABLE WAIT PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010

The format of the disabled wait state PSW is shown below:
xxxxyyyy zzzzwwww
where:
xxxx 000A - a disabled wait state
yyyy 0000
zzzz 0000
wwww
is the disabled wait state code. This disabled wait state code is a
CP message number
HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE.

Thanks for all !

P.S. FOR ALL FRIENDS ===> Sorry for my bad ENGLISH

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about Hercules indicates that the

SYSG console is not supported by Hercules. the SYSC is but not the
SYSG.

Post by Doug Carroll
If that is the case the DVD install of z/VM could not be done

currently. the CD install (which is being discontinued in z/VM 5.2
I believe) supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx to tell it your
installation console. the DVD is much different. it's not a DDR
restore process as is the Tape/CDROM method

Post by Doug Carroll
the DVD also has higher memory requirements. a Tape install needs

about 64meg to get going whereas a DVD is 512meg most of this is
used as a started system which is loaded into memory unlike the DDR
method. Its that starter system (a mini VM system) that doesn't
know about anything except SYSG console.

Post by Doug Carroll
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no good far as I know since they

will not be used by the starter system

Post by Doug Carroll
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm to pass console address , but
the problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD installation module)

works

Post by notturnove
only with Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate 3270 Console of HMC ?

Yes, the Hercules window itself will assume this function.
BTW, i have seen no DASD addr speficications in your config

file ....

Post by Doug Carroll
PS: you should know your starter system i/o config and code it into the
hercules config file, shouldn't you ??
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somitcw

2005-09-11 00:29:07 UTC

It seems really strange that VM can
no longer run in an LPAR or under VM.
If every copy of VM really did require
a specific type of hardware console
built into the mainframe, that would
be the result. Will VM ever be able
to have a second CRT again that can
be used as a console?

I suggest that the problem is you
need to use a valid CRT that can be
used to IPL and point to it properly.

If there are really no valid CRTs
to use as a console, then you should
disable them and use SYSC which your
post shows is working.

Post by notturnove
Hi Doug,
I agree with you , Hercules probably
does'n support output directed to HMC
Integrated 3270 Console.
DISABLE WAIT PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
xxxxyyyy zzzzwwww
xxxx 000A - a disabled wait state
yyyy 0000
zzzz 0000
wwww
is the disabled wait state code. This
disabled wait state code is a CP
message number
HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE.
Thanks for all !
P.S. FOR ALL FRIENDS ===> Sorry for
my bad ENGLISH

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

Paul Raulerson

2005-09-11 00:36:33 UTC

Actually, I am seriously beginning to wonder if this is a troll.
(*sigh*) Hercules is just too fine a product to have this kind of
stuff aimed at it. The current z/VM, like all z/VM's since 4.4, can
use the hardware console to load itself from DVD or CD ROM, and uses
the loadparms to determine the consoles. It also runs just fine as a
second level guest OS.

I begin to think this person does not have the manual or quicksetup
instructions.

-Paul

Post by somitcw
It seems really strange that VM can
no longer run in an LPAR or under VM.
If every copy of VM really did require
a specific type of hardware console
built into the mainframe, that would
be the result. Will VM ever be able
to have a second CRT again that can
be used as a console?
I suggest that the problem is you
need to use a valid CRT that can be
used to IPL and point to it properly.
If there are really no valid CRTs
to use as a console, then you should
disable them and use SYSC which your
post shows is working.

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

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Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 00:43:14 UTC

This all only applies to the installation of z/VM using the DVD source media.
If you where to use either the Tapes or CDROM media you could use the SYSC console and you would be fine.
If you already have a z/VM 5.1 system up, you can install from the DVD as a second level VM using FTP from a server with the DVD.
in this case you use DVDPRIME from maints 2CC disk.

the DVD install as a first level only uses the SYSG console, it does not recognize the SYSC console.
I've tried that now on a real HMC by not starting the Integrated 3270 (SYSG) and specifying a loadparm of SYSC.
I've also specified a loadparm of my real console 1E00 and neither works at a real HMC. only starting the SYSG console
seems to work. Again using the DVD media.

Once installed you can set your LOADPARM to DASDCONS (I,e, 48C51E00 for 48C5 Dasd address and 1E00 console)
and it works fine.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: somitcw
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

It seems really strange that VM can
no longer run in an LPAR or under VM.
If every copy of VM really did require
a specific type of hardware console
built into the mainframe, that would
be the result. Will VM ever be able
to have a second CRT again that can
be used as a console?

I suggest that the problem is you
need to use a valid CRT that can be
used to IPL and point to it properly.

If there are really no valid CRTs
to use as a console, then you should
disable them and use SYSC which your
post shows is working.

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

somitcw

2005-09-11 04:34:08 UTC

The last two messages posted were:
HHCCP041I SYSCONS interface active
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010

Who opened SYSC ?

What means: LOADPARM 120..... ?

How does "HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE."
say to recover in the messages manual?

Post by Doug Carroll
This all only applies to the installation
of z/VM using the DVD source media.
If you where to use either the Tapes or
CDROM media you could use the SYSC console
and you would be fine.
If you already have a z/VM 5.1 system up,
you can install from the DVD as a second
level VM using FTP from a server with the
DVD. in this case you use DVDPRIME from
maints 2CC disk.
the DVD install as a first level only
uses the SYSG console, it does not
recognize the SYSC console.
I've tried that now on a real HMC by not
starting the Integrated 3270 (SYSG) and
specifying a loadparm of SYSC.
I've also specified a loadparm of my
real console 1E00 and neither works at
a real HMC. only starting the SYSG console
seems to work. Again using the DVD media.
Once installed you can set your LOADPARM
to DASDCONS (I,e, 48C51E00 for 48C5 Dasd
address and 1E00 console) and it works fine.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: somitcw
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
It seems really strange that VM can
no longer run in an LPAR or under VM.
If every copy of VM really did require
a specific type of hardware console
built into the mainframe, that would
be the result. Will VM ever be able
to have a second CRT again that can
be used as a console?
I suggest that the problem is you
need to use a valid CRT that can be
used to IPL and point to it properly.
If there are really no valid CRTs
to use as a console, then you should
disable them and use SYSC which your
post shows is working.

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

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2005-09-11 13:04:04 UTC

Post by somitcw
HHCCP041I SYSCONS interface active
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Who opened SYSC ?

I don't know who opened SYSC

Post by somitcw
What means: LOADPARM 120..... ?

LOADPARM xxxxxxxx specifies the eight-character IPL parameter which
is used by some operating systems to select system parameters.

The value of LOADPARM is meaningful for OS that read it.
The z/VM installation module doesn't seem to use it.
I test it many times, but no results.

Post by somitcw
How does "HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE."
say to recover in the messages manual?

(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 installation doesn't use SAPL program.)

HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE.
Explanation: The indicated disabled wait state PSW is
loaded when an operational primary or alternate
operator's console cannot be found.
If you were running in virtual mode, CONMODE was not
set to 3270.
System Action: The system enters a disabled wait
state (wait state code = 1010). If using the Stand-Alone
Program Loader (SAPL), all registers contain the values
held at the time the wait state was entered. Register 2
contains the console device address.
Operator Response: There is probably a hardware
malfunction. Notify your system support personnel.
Verify that the RIOGEN macro instruction properly
defined the primary and alternate system consoles.
If you were running in virtual mode, enter the TERMinal
CONMODE 3270 command, and re-IPL.
If using SAPL, either specify the correct console
address on the LOADPARM parameter of the IPL
command or specify the correct console address using
the 'CONS=' IPL parameter on the SAPL menu screen.
See the section, "Overriding Stand-Alone Program
Defaults" in the z/VM: CP Planning and Administration.
You can also use the CONSxxxx load parameter to
cause SAPL to pass CONS=xxxx as an IPL parameter
to CP. Refer to z/VM: CP Planning and Administration
for a description of the 'CONS=' IPL parameter.
If the problem persists, contact your IBM Support
Center personnel to diagnose and correct the hardware
error.

Post by somitcw

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

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2005-09-11 13:45:14 UTC

Have you tried having a console sitting around that matches an address in
the loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under the current configuration.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:04 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by somitcw
HHCCP041I SYSCONS interface active
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020000 00000000 0000000000001010
Who opened SYSC ?

I don't know who opened SYSC

Post by somitcw
What means: LOADPARM 120..... ?

Post by somitcw
How does "HCP1010W NO CONSOLE AVAILABLE."
say to recover in the messages manual?

Post by somitcw

Post by Doug Carroll
Everything I have been reading about
Hercules indicates that the SYSG
console is not supported by Hercules.
the SYSC is but not the SYSG.
If that is the case the DVD install
of z/VM could not be done currently.
the CD install (which is being
discontinued in z/VM 5.2 I believe)
supports the use of LOADPARM CNSLxxxx
to tell it your installation console.
the DVD is much different. it's not
a DDR restore process as is the
Tape/CDROM method
the DVD also has higher memory
requirements. a Tape install needs
about 64meg to get going whereas a
DVD is 512meg most of this is used
as a started system which is loaded
into memory unlike the DDR method.
Its that starter system (a mini VM
system) that doesn't know about
anything except SYSG console.
Setting your IPL PARMS will do no
good far as I know since they will
not be used by the starter system
That's my understanding of the topic anyways.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "João Carlos R. Baptista"
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i tryed a lot of test using loadparm
to pass console address , but the
problem reoccurs.
I suppose that iplled module (zVM DVD
installation module) works only with
Integrated 3270 Console of HMC.
can hercules emulate the Integrate
3270 Console of HMC ?

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2005-09-11 14:35:57 UTC

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting around that matches an

address in

Post by Paul Hanrahan
the loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under the current

configuration.
I tried to set in Hercules config file:

CNSLPORT 3270
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F
001F 3270

I opened x3270 with address 127.0.0.1 port 3270 and i saw the
connection logged in Hercules console.

Then I iplled the system from DVD, (IPL /CDROM/CPDVD/510VM.INS)
but it didn't work, always disable wait 1010.

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2005-09-11 16:50:03 UTC

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Post by Peter Vels
I opened x3270 with address 127.0.0.1
port 3270 and i saw the connection
logged in Hercules console.
Then I iplled the system from DVD,
(IPL /CDROM/CPDVD/510VM.INS) but it
didn't work, always disable wait 1010.

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
Ciao .

Norman Hollander

2005-09-11 17:29:35 UTC

In my HERC Config file I have:

LOADPARM CONS=020

and in the devices

0020 3270

It comes up just fine. By the way, z/VM does do auto discovery of all of
its
devices at IPL time. You don't have to go thru the RIO gen process, if you
don't want.

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Behalf Of somitcw
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
Ciao .

Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 17:41:04 UTC

Correct, once z/VM is installed but this is not about IPL'ing z/VM as a functional system.
this is about IPLing z/VM from the DVD to perform an install and in that case LOADPARM is ignored.

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Hollander
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

In my HERC Config file I have:

LOADPARM CONS=020

and in the devices

0020 3270

It comes up just fine. By the way, z/VM does do auto discovery of all of
its
devices at IPL time. You don't have to go thru the RIO gen process, if you
don't want.

-----Original Message-----
From: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of somitcw
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
Ciao .

notturnove

2005-09-11 17:55:56 UTC

I use vm 4.3 and 4.4 with Hercules and all works fine.

The problem described, occurs only when i try to install z/VM v5.1
from DVD.
Hi .

Post by Norman Hollander
LOADPARM CONS=020
and in the devices
0020 3270
It comes up just fine. By the way, z/VM does do auto discovery of all of
its
devices at IPL time. You don't have to go thru the RIO gen

process, if you

Post by Norman Hollander
don't want.
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of somitcw
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
Ciao .

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Norman Hollander

2005-09-11 19:58:15 UTC

I am using 5.1 from the DVD.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 10:56 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

I use vm 4.3 and 4.4 with Hercules and all works fine.

The problem described, occurs only when i try to install z/VM v5.1
from DVD.
Hi .

process, if you

Post by Norman Hollander
don't want.
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of somitcw
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
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Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 20:54:16 UTC

How did you install from the DVD? how did you get around the SYSG requirement of the DVD?
Details please?

Doug
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

I am using 5.1 from the DVD.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 10:56 AM
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Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

I use vm 4.3 and 4.4 with Hercules and all works fine.

The problem described, occurs only when i try to install z/VM v5.1
from DVD.
Hi .

process, if you

Post by Norman Hollander
don't want.
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of somitcw
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by Paul Hanrahan
Have you tried having a console sitting
around that matches an address in the
loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under
the current configuration.

CNSLPORT 3270

Why the weird port? You will have to
override the port number in your TN3270
client.

Post by Peter Vels
LOADPARM CONSSYSC , CONSSYSG , CONS001F

What is a proper console address for
the system you are IPLing? I would
expect something like CONS0000 or CONS0009
but you should use what IBM says.

Post by Peter Vels
001F 3270

Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

Probably a bad console address or
type. If IBM did not give you a list
of the system configuration, try to
browse 510VM.INS for anything that
looks like a real I/O block.

Post by Peter Vels
Ciao .

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notturnove

2005-09-11 17:35:14 UTC

Hi Somitcw,

This is the procedure to install z/VM from HMC.
You can verify that IBM doesn't suggested other method to follow.
(no alternate console to Integrated 3270 Console).

I indicate console address 001F because normally z/VM use 0009 or
001F as default console addresses.
I tried this addresses as alternative to the following procedure
that indicate to use Integrated 3270 Console (SYSG) only.
I didn't know if installation module use this address (now i think
no !).

Normally VM console specified must accept 3270 CCWs and data streams
and have at least 20 lines and 80 columns, so i use 3270 display.

The file 510VM.INS is a pointer to 2 modules and i think that it is
not easy to identify the real I/O block.

CIAO .

====================================================================

Booting z/VM from DVD

This section explains how to install z/VM 5.1 from an HMC with a DVD-
ROM onto 3390-3 direct access storage devices (DASD). For
alternative configurations, such as installing from tape or onto
SCSI disks, refer to the z/VM documentation.

1. On the Hardware Management Console, select the LPAR on which you
want to install z/VM.
2. In the CPC Recovery menu, double-click Integrated 3270 Console as
shown at the
bottom of Figure 4-1. A Personal Communications emulator session
opens.
3. Place the z/VM DVD Product Package 3390 in the HMC DVD drive.
4. Change to the Single Object Operations mode. To access this mode,
perform the following steps:
a. In the Groups Work Area, double-click Defined CPCs.
b. Select your CPC.
c. Go around the racetrack (the series of buttons with circular
arrows in the bottom right corner) to the CPC Recovery menu.
d. Double-click the Single Object Operations icon. Click Yes to
establish a session with your CPC.
e. The Primary Support Element Workplace window opens as a
subwindow (a window within a window). Double-click Groups near the
top of this window.
f. Back in the Groups Work Area, double-click Images.
g. Select the LPAR into which z/VM will be installed.
h. Go to the CPC Recovery menu. Again you can do this by using the
racetrack.
i. Double-click the Load from CD-ROM or Server icon (Figure 4-2)
when you see it.
j. Click Yes to confirm that you want to load from the CD-ROM.

5. In the Load CD-ROM or Server window (Figure 4-3), complete these
tasks:
a. Select the Hardware Management Console CD-ROM option.
b. For File location, type the value /cpdvd. This is the directory
on the DVD with the z/VM
c. Click Continue.

6. Load the RAMDISK.
a. From the Load from CD-ROM or Server panel, select the software
510vm.ins. Click Continue.
b. From the Confirm the action window, click Yes.
c. You should see the Load from CD-ROM or Server Progress window.
d. When you see the Completed successfully message, click OK to
close. The loading of z/VM should take four to eight minutes.
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2005-09-11 17:57:55 UTC

Right and the two files are

VM510NUC 0x00000000
VM510RAM 0x01000000

VM510NUC is the nucleus itself, VM510RAM is a mini install system's minidisks. enough to continue the installation with basic CP command support. Not sure but I would imagine CMS as well.

I think we have some misunderstanding of what's going on here among posters, as notturnove originally stated, this is a DVD install so
when we talk about SYSG and the 510VM.ins we are installing from DVD not Tape or CDROM which is the normal DDR process with SAPL. something Hercules would support because SYSC or a normal console would work.
The DVD install was designed by IBM to allow VM installation without the need for a 3174 or 2074 controller thus eliminating Costs of having such controllers.

This is not a system that is installed yet to honor the LOADPARM and I think some posters may think we're talking about an installed system

on a side note, according to a talk I had just this week with the IBM they are eliminating the CDROM install and the DVD will be the default media type for z/VM soon. This is because just as my company did, we got the tapes, and our external tape access is not on an CEC that had access to tape.
so we requested the DVD media. IBM said that's become such a common request that they will be changing the default media.

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: notturnove
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 1:35 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Hi Somitcw,

This is the procedure to install z/VM from HMC.
You can verify that IBM doesn't suggested other method to follow.
(no alternate console to Integrated 3270 Console).

I indicate console address 001F because normally z/VM use 0009 or
001F as default console addresses.
I tried this addresses as alternative to the following procedure
that indicate to use Integrated 3270 Console (SYSG) only.
I didn't know if installation module use this address (now i think
no !).

Normally VM console specified must accept 3270 CCWs and data streams
and have at least 20 lines and 80 columns, so i use 3270 display.

The file 510VM.INS is a pointer to 2 modules and i think that it is
not easy to identify the real I/O block.

CIAO .

====================================================================

Booting z/VM from DVD

This section explains how to install z/VM 5.1 from an HMC with a DVD-
ROM onto 3390-3 direct access storage devices (DASD). For
alternative configurations, such as installing from tape or onto
SCSI disks, refer to the z/VM documentation.

1. On the Hardware Management Console, select the LPAR on which you
want to install z/VM.
2. In the CPC Recovery menu, double-click Integrated 3270 Console as
shown at the
bottom of Figure 4-1. A Personal Communications emulator session
opens.
3. Place the z/VM DVD Product Package 3390 in the HMC DVD drive.
4. Change to the Single Object Operations mode. To access this mode,
perform the following steps:
a. In the Groups Work Area, double-click Defined CPCs.
b. Select your CPC.
c. Go around the racetrack (the series of buttons with circular
arrows in the bottom right corner) to the CPC Recovery menu.
d. Double-click the Single Object Operations icon. Click Yes to
establish a session with your CPC.
e. The Primary Support Element Workplace window opens as a
subwindow (a window within a window). Double-click Groups near the
top of this window.
f. Back in the Groups Work Area, double-click Images.
g. Select the LPAR into which z/VM will be installed.
h. Go to the CPC Recovery menu. Again you can do this by using the
racetrack.
i. Double-click the Load from CD-ROM or Server icon (Figure 4-2)
when you see it.
j. Click Yes to confirm that you want to load from the CD-ROM.

5. In the Load CD-ROM or Server window (Figure 4-3), complete these
tasks:
a. Select the Hardware Management Console CD-ROM option.
b. For File location, type the value /cpdvd. This is the directory
on the DVD with the z/VM
c. Click Continue.

6. Load the RAMDISK.
a. From the Load from CD-ROM or Server panel, select the software
510vm.ins. Click Continue.
b. From the Confirm the action window, click Yes.
c. You should see the Load from CD-ROM or Server Progress window.
d. When you see the Completed successfully message, click OK to
close. The loading of z/VM should take four to eight minutes.
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2005-09-11 18:04:42 UTC

001F is historical in it's origin and not going to change as the default
console.

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Where did 001F come from. Is it a
3215 in you system or 3270?

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2005-09-11 16:56:52 UTC

Please be carefull here with this statement.

From "VM Messages and Codes for CP" book: (Pay attention, z/VM V5.1
installation doesn't use SAPL program.)

It should say "(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 DVD installation doesn't use SAPL
program.)"
Tape and CDROM installations do use SAPL but are not whats being discussed
here

Have you tried having a console sitting around that matches an address in
the loadparm ? Not sure how to do this under the current configuration.

Don't know have many time this can be said.
The z/VM DVD installation DOES NOT use the LOADPARM setting, it does
nothing. on a Real HMC so Hercules should do nothing as well and it doesn't
LOADPARM is passed to the IPL'd system and in this case LOADPARM is ignored.
Again, this only aplies to the z/VM DVD installation.

I did some checking and what the SYSG console is and it is a SCLP based 3270
console. I believe SCLP is implemented in hercules but not to handle a 3270
data stream. I suspect that is why you see the "HHCCP041I SYSCONS interface
active message." Your have the OS trying to contact the HMC over SCLP,
hercules see's the attempt and actives the SYSCONS interface, but then
recieves a 3270 data stream which it doesn't know what to do with and since
the VM starter system is expecting the correct reply that it doesn't get you
see the Disabled Wait 1010 message.

qouting from a z990 features datasheet
To eliminate the need for an external 2074 Console controller and associated
consoles, an administrator may utilize the Hardware Management Console (HMC)
functions "Integrated 3270 Console Support" for operating z/VM images, and
"Integrated ASCII Console Support" to operate Linux images. The support is
implemented using an internal communications method - SCLP - which enables
the operating system to communicate with the HMC. The software support was
made available in z/VM Version 4 Release 4. An update for Linux will be made
available to IBM Linux Distribution Partners.

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2005-09-11 17:50:22 UTC

Sorry,
I do not understand your comment,

Post by Doug Carroll
Please be carefull here with this statement.

as you can verify, I have many problem with English , but your phrase
sound no good.

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2005-09-11 18:03:14 UTC

What I meant was in your post was this comment
"(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 installation doesn't use SAPL program.)"
and that is not totally true.

I added the word DVD to your comment because SAPL is supported in a TAPE or CDROM type installs
so I corrected your comment to say
"(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 >>DVD<< installation doesn't use SAPL program.)"

I hope that makes it clearer

Doug

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Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Sorry,
I do not understand your comment,

Post by Doug Carroll
Please be carefull here with this statement.

as you can verify, I have many problem with English , but your phrase
sound no good.

Paolo

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2005-09-11 18:15:58 UTC

Ok Doug,
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

I started to works in IBM 25 years ago and i worked many year in vm
customer environment, then my work changed.
Now i'm very happy to have the opporunity to reuse VM.

Thanks to Hercules !!!

Hi Doug

Post by Doug Carroll
What I meant was in your post was this comment
"(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 installation doesn't use SAPL

program.)"

Post by Doug Carroll
and that is not totally true.
I added the word DVD to your comment because SAPL is supported in

a TAPE or CDROM type installs

Post by Doug Carroll
so I corrected your comment to say
"(Pay attention, z/VM V5.1 >>DVD<< installation doesn't use SAPL program.)"
I hope that makes it clearer
Doug
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
Sorry,
I do not understand your comment,

Post by Doug Carroll
Please be carefull here with this statement.

as you can verify, I have many problem with English , but your phrase
sound no good.
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Jay Maynard

2005-09-11 18:55:45 UTC

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

Baloney.
This forum isn't just for experts. Questions are welcome, and this one has
exposed a hole in what Hercules emulates. I don't know how it would be
resolved, either, but the hole is definitely there. There are two aspects to
the problem:

1) How does the SYSG console actually work? Does the system communicaate
with it the same way as it does the SYSC console, except that it uses a 3270
datastream, or is it more complex than that?

2) How do we emulate the functionality? Once we figure out how to look like
a SYSG console to the software running on Hercules, how do we get that data
to the user? Do we define a parameter that makes the first tn3270 connection
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a second port, or...?

Post by notturnove
I started to works in IBM 25 years ago and i worked many year in vm
customer environment, then my work changed.
Now i'm very happy to have the opporunity to reuse VM.

Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 19:12:38 UTC

Hi Jay,

Thanks for chiming in here and giving your feedback

FWIW: in the Linux 2.6 OS, SLES9 for example is an ASCII implementation (i.e. Integrated Console for Linux) of SYSG to allow Linux to talk to the console.
It might be of some help in your implementing the SYSG console. it won't be the 3270 version but I looked at the source tree briefly and it definitely implement the SCLP stuff.

maybe it would help???

Thanks again

Doug
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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

Post by notturnove
I started to works in IBM 25 years ago and i worked many year in vm
customer environment, then my work changed.
Now i'm very happy to have the opporunity to reuse VM.

Hopefully, we can get you going. At this point, though, if the z/VM 5.1 DVD
installer only talks to the SYSG console (as appears to be the case), then
we're not going to be able to help you much until we figure out how to do
the SYSG console.

(I assume in this discussion that you have the appropriate license to run
z/VM 5.1 on Hercules.)

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2005-09-11 19:48:27 UTC

Post by Jay Maynard
exposed a hole in what Hercules emulates. I don't know how it would be
resolved, either, but the hole is definitely there. There are two aspects to

But just how much are you willing to spend time on? For example, the IBM
43x1 processors had integrated 3278 consoles at an address of 0Fx. This
presents a minor(!) problem - Hercules setup allows generating/defining
a 327x session on the 0Fx addresses, but there is no provision for
providing screen wrap-around at the end of line 20, and displaying
system info on 21-24. Similarly, the 3033 had integrated CRTs. And for a
real support effort, try the 360/165 console with its odd screen size
(80*35, if I recall correctly). And yes, I do have EXCP code to support
the device in some of my programs.....

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

P.S. What I'd really like as a change for HercGUI and Hercules is list
input in the device definitions (e.g., @INCLUDE diskfarm). When you have
multiple configuration files, it's easy to get discrepancies in the
disks (e.g., deleting shadow files on one, but forgetting on another).

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notturnove

2005-09-11 19:52:48 UTC

Thanks Jey,
your answer help me: i'm not able to solve this problem !

Post by Jay Maynard
(I assume in this discussion that you have the appropriate license

to runz/VM 5.1 on Hercules.)
No dubt , i have the license !

Ciao Paolo.

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2005-09-11 20:00:06 UTC

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

Baloney.
This forum isn't just for experts. Questions are welcome, and this one has
exposed a hole in what Hercules emulates. I don't know how it would be
resolved, either, but the hole is definitely there. There are two aspects to
1) How does the SYSG console actually work? Does the system communicaate
with it the same way as it does the SYSC console, except that it uses a 3270
datastream, or is it more complex than that?
2) How do we emulate the functionality? Once we figure out how to look like
a SYSG console to the software running on Hercules, how do we get that data
to the user? Do we define a parameter that makes the first tn3270 connection
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a second port, or...?

<deleted>

Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE

APAR status Closed as canceled.

Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL loadparm.
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.

Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.

APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
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2005-09-11 20:09:58 UTC

Hi Mike,
z/VM v51 does't use anymore ddr program to install the system from
DVD.
Ciao

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

communicaate

Post by Jay Maynard
with it the same way as it does the SYSC console, except that it uses a 3270
datastream, or is it more complex than that?
2) How do we emulate the functionality? Once we figure out how to look like
a SYSG console to the software running on Hercules, how do we get that data
to the user? Do we define a parameter that makes the first

tn3270 connection

Post by Jay Maynard
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a second port, or...?

<deleted>
Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE
APAR status Closed as canceled.
Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL loadparm.
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.
Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.
APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
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Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 20:52:06 UTC

Ciao,

z/VM 5.1 DVD install does not use DDR to install
z/VM 5.1 Tape or CDROM does use DDR and SAPL to install

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: notturnove
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Hi Mike,
z/VM v51 does't use anymore ddr program to install the system from
DVD.
Ciao

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

communicaate

tn3270 connection

Post by Jay Maynard
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a second port, or...?

<deleted>
Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE
APAR status Closed as canceled.
Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL loadparm.
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.
Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.
APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
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Doug Carroll

2005-09-11 21:11:08 UTC

Ciao,

My Apologies, I didn't see that you did say "from DVD" in your post

Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Carroll
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Ciao,

z/VM 5.1 DVD install does not use DDR to install
z/VM 5.1 Tape or CDROM does use DDR and SAPL to install

Doug

----- Original Message -----
From: notturnove
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem

Hi Mike,
z/VM v51 does't use anymore ddr program to install the system from
DVD.
Ciao

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in this forum.

communicaate

tn3270 connection

Post by Jay Maynard
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a second port, or...?

<deleted>
Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE
APAR status Closed as canceled.
Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL loadparm.
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.
Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.
APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
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notturnove

2005-09-11 21:27:46 UTC

Sorry Doug,
my English is very orrible !
Ciao, Paolo

P.S. I didn't know that all messages are replicated in my mail box !
:O !

Post by Doug Carroll
Ciao,
My Apologies, I didn't see that you did say "from DVD" in your post
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Carroll
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
Ciao,
z/VM 5.1 DVD install does not use DDR to install
z/VM 5.1 Tape or CDROM does use DDR and SAPL to install
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
Hi Mike,
z/VM v51 does't use anymore ddr program to install the system from
DVD.
Ciao

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in

this

Post by Doug Carroll
forum.

Post by Jay Maynard
Baloney.
This forum isn't just for experts. Questions are welcome,

and

Post by Doug Carroll
this one has

Post by Jay Maynard
exposed a hole in what Hercules emulates. I don't know how

Post by Doug Carroll
would be

Post by Jay Maynard
resolved, either, but the hole is definitely there. There

are

Post by Doug Carroll
two aspects to

Post by Jay Maynard
1) How does the SYSG console actually work? Does the

system

Post by Doug Carroll
communicaate

Post by Jay Maynard
with it the same way as it does the SYSC console, except

that it

Post by Doug Carroll
uses a 3270

Post by Jay Maynard
datastream, or is it more complex than that?
2) How do we emulate the functionality? Once we figure out

how

Post by Doug Carroll
to look like

Post by Jay Maynard
a SYSG console to the software running on Hercules, how do

Post by Doug Carroll
get that data

Post by Jay Maynard
to the user? Do we define a parameter that makes the first

tn3270 connection

Post by Jay Maynard
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a

second

Post by Doug Carroll
port, or...?

Post by Mike Schwab
<deleted>
Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270

CONSOLE

Post by Mike Schwab
APAR status Closed as canceled.
Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL

loadparm.

Post by Mike Schwab
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.
Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.
APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
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virus)

Post by Mike Schwab
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access from

Post by Mike Schwab
other computers)
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spyware and

Post by Mike Schwab
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somitcw

2005-09-12 00:26:09 UTC

Post by notturnove
Sorry Doug,
my English is very orrible !
Ciao, Paolo
P.S. I didn't know that all messages
are replicated in my mail box !
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notturnove

2005-09-11 21:16:54 UTC

Ciao,
lo z/VM versione 5.1 durante l'installazione da DVD, non utilizza il
programma DDR.
Il DDR viene utilizzato solo se l'installazione dello z/VM versione
5.1 viene eseguita da TAPE o da CDROM.

Ciao, Paolo

Post by Doug Carroll
Ciao,
z/VM 5.1 DVD install does not use DDR to install
z/VM 5.1 Tape or CDROM does use DDR and SAPL to install
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
Hi Mike,
z/VM v51 does't use anymore ddr program to install the system from
DVD.
Ciao

Post by notturnove
i understood that i have too low "know how" to write in

this

Post by Doug Carroll
forum.

Post by Jay Maynard
Baloney.
This forum isn't just for experts. Questions are welcome,

and

Post by Doug Carroll
this one has

Post by Jay Maynard
exposed a hole in what Hercules emulates. I don't know how

Post by Doug Carroll
would be

Post by Jay Maynard
resolved, either, but the hole is definitely there. There

are

Post by Doug Carroll
two aspects to

Post by Jay Maynard
1) How does the SYSG console actually work? Does the system

communicaate

Post by Jay Maynard
with it the same way as it does the SYSC console, except

that it

Post by Doug Carroll
uses a 3270

Post by Jay Maynard
datastream, or is it more complex than that?
2) How do we emulate the functionality? Once we figure out

how

Post by Doug Carroll
to look like

Post by Jay Maynard
a SYSG console to the software running on Hercules, how do

Post by Doug Carroll
get that data

Post by Jay Maynard
to the user? Do we define a parameter that makes the first

tn3270 connection

Post by Jay Maynard
connect to the emulated SYSG console, or do we assign a

second

Post by Doug Carroll
port, or...?

Post by Mike Schwab
<deleted>
Here the APAR
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13774
II13774: DDR USES LOADPARM SYSG FOR HMC INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE
APAR status Closed as canceled.
Error description
From the Hardware Management Console you can use the
integrated 3270 console with standalone DDR. The integrated
3270 console is identified to DDR as SYSG in the IPL loadparm.
This console provides the ability to operate DDR without any
attached 3270 devices.
Comments
The SYSTEM OPERATIONS MANUAL will be updated with this
information in the future.
APAR information
APAR number II13774
Reported component name DN LIB INFO ITE
Reported component ID INFODNLIB
Reported release 001
Status CLOSED CAN
PE NoPE
HIPER NoHIPER
Submitted date 2004-02-10
Closed date 2004-02-10
Last modified date 2005-07-01
--
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place to log your bicycle miles
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accounts

Post by Mike Schwab
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http://www.zonealarm.com/ (free basic firewall to block access from
other computers)
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ (removes spyware and
undesired cookies from your computer)

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somitcw

2005-09-12 00:29:32 UTC

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Jay Maynard <***@c...> wrote:
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Post by Jay Maynard
Hopefully, we can get you going.
At this point, though, if the z/VM 5.1
DVD installer only talks to the SYSG
console (as appears to be the case),
then we're not going to be able to
help you much until we figure out how
to do the SYSG console.

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At this point, wouldn't it be better
to disable SYSC so it stops pretending
to be SYSG. Perhaps a normal console
could then be used.

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notturnove

2005-09-11 20:01:39 UTC

Really Norman ?
Can you help me to use it ?
Ciao

I am using 5.1 from the DVD.
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of notturnove
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 10:56 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem
I use vm 4.3 and 4.4 with Hercules and all works fine.
The problem described, occurs only when i try to install z/VM v5.1
from DVD.
Hi .

Post by Norman Hollander
LOADPARM CONS=020
and in the devices
0020 3270
It comes up just fine. By the way, z/VM does do auto discovery

all of

Post by Norman Hollander
its
devices at IPL time. You don't have to go thru the RIO gen

process, if you

Post by Norman Hollander
don't want.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 SYSN 9:50 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: z/VM console problem