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And another question, non technical this time.
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Jeroen Baten jeroen@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 08:05:04 UTC
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Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

I guess this is a nice starting point.

I hope you find a few minutes for this.

(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten
'John P. Hartmann' jphartmann@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 08:54:59 UTC
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A Danish adage goes,

"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."

Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Ivan Warren ivan@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 09:35:23 UTC
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Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
A Danish adage goes,
"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
John,

You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.

--Ivan



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Wayne Bickerdike waynevb@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 10:09:04 UTC
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I don't mind answering:

-How old are you? 65
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field? Yes
-What is your day job? Systems programmer z/OS, mainly CICS install and
support,
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
Started in 1975 on OS/VS1 about a 2
DOS/VSE - 5 years, about a 5
VM and z/VM about 2 years, a 4...
MVS derivatives up to z/OS (currently on 2.2) 7/10

Programming languages:

Pl/I - 10 years - 7/10
COBOL 6 years 5/10
Assembler 8 years - 6/10
REXX - 10 years 8/10

Other:

MVS 4GLS:

IDEAL - 6 years - 7/10
Natural 3 years - 5/10
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
A Danish adage goes,
"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
John,
You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.
--Ivan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--
Wayne V. Bickerdike
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 19:20:34 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
A Danish adage goes,
"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
John,
You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.
--Ivan
He may not be 'in charge' here, but it seems to me that neither are you.
Which you purposefully seem to ignore ?


- Maarten
'\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' david.b.trout@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 20:53:52 UTC
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Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
John,
You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.
He may not be 'in charge' here, but it seems to me that
neither are you. Which you purposefully seem to ignore?
Nor did his reply claim him to be to or even subtly imply, Maarten (unlike John's in my and apparently Ivan's opinion).
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dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 21:07:38 UTC
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Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by Ivan Warren ***@vmfacility.fr [hercules-390]
John,
You are nor the group owner nor a moderator.
You are not "in charge" here.
He may not be 'in charge' here, but it seems to me that neither are
you. Which you purposefully seem to ignore?
Nor did his reply claim him to be to or even subtly imply, Maarten (unlike
John's in my and apparently Ivan's opinion).
I wouldn't go so far as Fish, but I did feel the suggestion that the question was improper was rude abrupt and inappropriate.
This isn't the first time I have felt this way. It does cool my enthusiasm for Hercules.
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Dave
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'\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' david.b.trout@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 12:47:40 UTC
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Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
A Danish adage goes,
"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
Fuck you, John.

Instead, YOU should take YOUR haughty, snobbish, holier-than-thou, disrespectful, insulting attitude elsewhere.
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Software Development Laboratories
http://www.softdevlabs.com
mail: ***@softdevlabs.com
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 19:22:15 UTC
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Hi

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 2:47 PM, ''Fish' (David B. Trout)'
Post by '\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Post by 'John P. Hartmann' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
A Danish adage goes,
"One village idiot can ask more questions than ten savages can answer."
Please take your anthropological research elsewhere.
Fuck you, John.
Instead, YOU should take YOUR haughty, snobbish, holier-than-thou,
disrespectful, insulting attitude elsewhere.
Although I agree with your previous point of not liking the questionnaire,
I would appreciate it if the general level of 'aggression' [not just here
you specifically] (sorry, can't think of a better word, I'm not a native
english speaker) could be toned down a bit. Can't we all just get along ?



- Maarten
'\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' david.b.trout@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 20:32:45 UTC
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Maarten Hoes wrote:

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Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Although I agree with your previous point of not liking
the questionnaire,
By "questionnaire" I presume you mean John's response?
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I would appreciate it if the general level of 'aggression'
[not just here you specifically] (sorry, can't think of a
better word, I'm not a native English speaker) could be
toned down a bit.
If he insults me or others then I insult him. It's that simple.

If you don't wish to see that occur then complain to John. He's the instigator. If he wasn't so rude I wouldn't need to be so rude back at him.

And for the record saying "Fuck you" to someone is not a display or act of aggression. It is a simple act of utter disdain and disrespect which people like him clearly deserve.
Post by Maarten Hoes ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Can't we all just get along ?
I get along well with virtually everyone except John.

And given his record of disrespect towards others it should hardly be surprising as to why that is.

(And for the record I'm certainly not alone in my feelings towards John which, again, should hardly come as a surprise given his aberrant anti-social behavior).
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http://www.softdevlabs.com
mail: ***@softdevlabs.com
William D ASM bturnersa@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 12:03:12 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
I don't mind answering either ;-)
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you? 78
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? You mean describe
surely? - Mainly by being thrown into the deep end.
-Are you currently active in this field? No
-What is your day job? I'm retired.
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
1) Disk Monitor System 2 (DM2 - IBM 1130) - university level (2)
2) CSTS and CSTS2 from CSC (Sperry-Univac 1108 then Sperry 1111) -
very well, for a number of years I was the main support in this country (8)
3) OS/VS1 - not well (3)
4) MVS/SP - moderately well although I am learning a lot more now
through the good offices of support groups like this one (5-6)
5) MVS-XA then MVS-ESA - well enough to IPL and install our products -
the TP monitor (COM-PLETE), ADABAS and NATURAL (5)
6) DOS/VSE, VSE/SP and VSE/ESA - more or less as per point 5. (4)

Also a brief encounter with Borroughs MCP but don't really remember much
of that.
HTH
Bill Turner (the South African one)
Joe Monk joemonk64@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 12:18:10 UTC
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-How old are you? 53
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? Started in 1982 as an
intern applications programmer on a 401k accounting system that ran on
multiple platforms (IBM, WANG, DEC). Promoted to IBM systems programmer.
-Are you currently active in this field? I am actively employed in IT, yes.
I work for a manufacturer's rep where I deal with all kinds of systems on a
daily basis.
-What is your day job? Networking and DataComm (knowledge I picked up from
learning VTAM on the mainframe!)
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge of
each on a scale from 1 to 10?

MVS (generally) 7/10
VSE (generally) 5/10
VM (generally) 4/10

Joe
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
'Fernando M. Roxo da Motta' mvs@roxo.org [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 13:50:55 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to
sell anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
I'm afraid you will get nuts trying to sort out the answers to those
questions. I am one of those many lurking in the darkness listening
to the guys discussing times and again, and just learning a lot from
whatever sense or nonsense they "talk" about. It is really quite
enjoyable.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
65
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
I am just an user, not a system programmer. I have just developed
scientific code (FORTRAN) for geophysical data processing.

I started as a COBOL developer a looong time ago on a burroughs
B-3500, next to a /360 running, I don't know possibly, a DOS as it had
three fixed partitions (BG, FG1, and FG2). A 10 years hiatus using a
PDP11/40, and then back to mainframe (1982) running MVS in a TSO/ISPF
environment. It got this way for 15 or 20 more years with the system
being a moving target until a 3090 600/6VF. From them on on *NIX/
Linux system HPC environment.

Anyway, I was all the time an user. Skilled as an user, but nothing
than that.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
No.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
Petroleum geophysics.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your
knowledge of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
As a system programmer I would be classified in 1/10
As an MVS USER perhaps something as a 7/10.

Out of those experiences described above, just out of curiosity and
some fun, I have IPLed VM/370, MUSIC, and Linux in Hercules.

Hope this helps.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space
is being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
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dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 15:14:06 UTC
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Sent: 01 May 2017 14:51
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
Sometimes I am not sure about that.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to
sell anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
Ah but will we tell the truth...
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
62 (decimal)
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
Did you mean "describe"?

Depends on that age old question, i.e. what is a Mainframe?
So I learnt Fortran II at school when 18 years old on an IBM 1620. Not a Mainframe.
Then used an IBM 360/67 at Newcastle University (remotely, I was at Newcastle Polytechnic) so MTS which is not a typical mainframe OS.
Then I spend 10 years on Honeywell kit, firstly H3200, again possibly not a "Mainframe"..
.. then various GCOS 3 machines, Honeywell L66/10, L66/60, DPS300. In later times also VAX and VMS

Then back to IBM 370 but mostly VM/SP and as we started connecting these to PC's I worked on MS Windows (and OS/2)...
... from about 1995 onwards almost all Microsoft Exchange (at DEC/Compaq/HP) and local council.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
No really.... I own a P390 but its not been powered on for ages. Also a few VAX
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
Keeping my wife happy? Demonstrating the Baby replica valve computer, causing trouble...
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your
knowledge of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
VM/370 & VM/SP -> somewhere around 8/10 but remember some folks on here know lots more, so perhaps we need a log scale.
MVS, MTS, Music -> enough to install/run/use

Also forgetting things rapidly.


Dave
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 14:43:28 UTC
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I will respond but your question #5 is basic.
As how to define knowledge of an OS and therefore at what level. For
example level needed to use for programming, compiling, testing along
with writing JCL to run most of the event previously defined consists
more of a copy and paste job then new JCL although for testing some what
more is needed but that is the knowledge of knowing in what manual to
look and that takes time / experience.

Another example which is some what more detailed as a sysadmin and there
is multiple levels depending if person has also built an entire system
from scratch.

So you will have to be careful on looking at answers.

and now for my answers see between your Q's.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
69 (70 in June 23).
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
Since 1961 as operator and prog and higher since 63..
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
yes
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
Migration specialist that is mostly actual programming conversion from
one platform/compiler to another.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
Linux(good),
IBM:
MVS & old variants (dev. prog and sysadmin), - 7
OS/390 as above. - 6
z/OS as above. -5
ICL/ICT:
George 1, 2 - was good ~(8+) but a long time ago..
George 3 & 4 Programmer, tester & user. - (7+ also a long time ago)
VME Developer of it and as a user under it (prog, dump cracker, anal,
test lead/manager) - 8-9
DME Prog, test lead/manager, (6)

Plus a stack for CDC, DEC, Honeywell, Burroughs, LEO, and a few I have
forgotten the names :)
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
Vince
Gerhard Postpischil gerhardp@charter.net [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 16:00:57 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
74
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
Begin as scientific programmer on an IBM 709, then 7090, then 7094. Then
got into systems programming in the mid-sixties on a 360/40, then 50,
65, 165, 168, 3081, 4341, 4381, and some OS/390 boxes.

I've written programs in ForTran, CoBOL (just once), PL/I, REXX, but
vastly prefer Assembler (FAP, MAP, ASM F and XF, HLASM)
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
Only as a volunteer (Hercules MVS groups), contributing code and snide
remarks <g>
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?Kibitzing. Seriously, I'm retired.
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
$IBSYS (forgotten most details). OS/360 (9) PCP, MFT II, MVT; MVS (8)
DOS (6), VM (4)

Also ran as a user on CDC (160, 1604, 6600), Dec-System 20, and Univac
(1107, 1108)
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
I guess this is a nice starting point.
You may not be aware, but most yahoo groups support a user created poll,
although the code limits questions to multiple choice answers?

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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2017-05-01 16:48:48 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
58
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
I studied computer science in Germany (University of Stuttgart);
there they had a German mainframe (Telefunken TR 440) - not IBM compatible.
I programmed Pascal, Fortran, COBOL and TAS (Telefunken ASSEMBLER)
on this machine. While studying, I worked as a programmer (for money,
not at the university) and there we used IBM machines, running VM/CMS
and VSE;
I was coding in Fortran, RPG, COBOL, later in Pascal. In 1985, I wrote
my diploma
thesis on a 3081 machine using VM/CMS and Pascal in 1985 - IBM made some
donations to the university, so they had two IBM machines then.
Since 1983, I have been working as a freelancer. New topics (after
finishing studies)
were MVS, REXX, ASSEMBLER, SQL/DS and DB2, PL/1, C (I hope, I get the
sequence right). Recently, I did some extensions to the Stanford Pascal
compiler (which runs on VM/370 on Hercules) and ported it to
Windows/Unix/Linux and to MVS.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
yes
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
Mainframe developer and software architect; still as a freelancer
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
MVS - 7
VM - 5
VSE - 3
Linux - 3
Kind regards

Bernd
Robert Prins robert.ah.prins@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 16:52:17 UTC
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On 1 May 2017 10:06 a.m., "Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl
[hercules-390]" <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

-How old are you?

57

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?

First programs were written at the TH Delft in ALGOL60, using punched
cards. Joined AMEV in 1985 as a trainee, and have used PL/I all my life,
now on z/OS 1.10 running under Hercules 3.11.

-Are you currently active in this field?

Between contracts since October 2009, but 1.10 is running mostly 24/7

-What is your day job?


Trying to find one

-What mainframe OS's do you know?

Just z/OS, and obviously its predecessors, MVS, and OS/390

And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?


Know how to IPL z/OS, and probably a bit more than an simple programmer
should know ;)

And quite a few of my PL/I RFE's have made it into Enterprise PL/I.


I guess this is a nice starting point.

I hope you find a few minutes for this.

(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten
Kevin Monceaux Kevin@RawFedDogs.net [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 16:47:59 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
47
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
My mainframe history isn't a mailing list. I wouldn't subscribe to it. :-)

My first exposure to a true mainframe was at Atlas Wireline Services as an
end user in the early to mid '90s. I worked as a shop helper in the machine
shop and occasionally used CICS apps to check stock status, add notes to
work orders, etc.

I started with the company I currently work for in freight bill entry and
driver check in about twenty years ago. I then moved to customer service
for a bit. One day I saw a job posting for a mainframe operator. I took a
chance and applied for it. I didn't get it. Shortly thereafter another
posting for the same position came up. I tried again, and got it. I was
the first operator where I work to start with no prior mainframe operational
experience. I had worked for a short time as a volunteer operator on a VAX
11/750 running VMS when I was in college.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
Yes.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
My current title is a work in progress. The majority of the twenty years
I've been with my current employer has been as a mainframe operator, first
on OS/390 then z/OS. We're in the process of downgrading from our in house
written mainframe based system to an AS/400 based system. Our last
mainframe system programmer retired in December. I was asked to take on a
few of his duties after he left. Thankfully he left me detailed notes. My
supervisor retired in February. I was asked to take on all of his duties
after he left. He left me no notes. I've been figuring out job scheduling
in CA-7, etc., as I go. I've been told a promotion is in the works for me,
but have yet to be offered a new title.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
From an operational standpoint I know z/OS and its ancestors fairly well,
probably 8 out of 10.

With Hercules and other mainframe emulators I've dabbled with a variety of
OSes. I'm at the extreme novice level, barely a 1 if that, on most if not
all of them:

DOS/VS
VM/370
MTS
Music
TSS
Multics
Chippawa

and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting.
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 19:07:01 UTC
Permalink
Hi,

Just out of curiosity.

You state that you are planning to 'publish the findings'. Are you going to
include it in one of your upcoming books, or something similar ? If so, are
you going to financially compensate the respondents for their data (which
they seem to be giving here in good faith) ?

Kind regards,


Maarten Hoes.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Jeroen Baten jeroen@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 19:33:23 UTC
Permalink
Hello Maarten,

If I look at your first and last name I guess you are Dutch, same as me.

What I meant by publishing my findings can fall into 2 categories.

1) my small questionnaire for which I have received so many very nice
replies (thank you all!) I thought only to publish in this group only
(!) the overall picture that I get from all the individual replies.

2) I did talk in another post about maybe writing another book and that
is still a very big if. I am somebody who likes to learn and keep
learning, even at 53 (my age). When I write an IT book for a publisher
usually my fee would be on average 1 euro/dollar per book sold. For
Dutch books my experience is that with some 1000 books sold per year it
is not really worth all the energy and effort that go into writing.
When I publish a book myself (usually on lulu.com) the revenues can
climb since I can set the sales price myself. The downside to this is
that there is no publisher who does the marketing and I myself really
suck at that, so the numbers sold are low. And still, it is not nearly
enough to make a living, let alone compensate other people.

In the last 20 years I have done numerous talks about open source and
linux and seldom did I get paid to do it. It was more of a marketing
thing than anything else really. Besides the fact that I just love to be
on stage and talk to a bunch of people.

Working in open source the last 20 years I was able to make a living.
Still I did a lot of stuff "just for fun" (<- reference to book by Linus
Torvalds I can recommend).

So if, and it is a big if, I do wrote a book about what I learn here, I
see no reasonable way to compensate people for the time and effort to
help me learn new stuff. I wish I could, really.

Oh, and the questionaire stuf is not for publication. Just trying to get
a feel for the community that is here.

I hope this answers your question Maarten. Tell me, does it?

Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity.
You state that you are planning to 'publish the findings'. Are you going
to include it in one of your upcoming books, or something similar ? If
so, are you going to financially compensate the respondents for their
data (which they seem to be giving here in good faith) ?
Kind regards,
Maarten Hoes.
__
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Maarten Hoes hoes.maarten@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 19:44:46 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Oh, and the questionaire stuf is not for publication. Just trying to get
a feel for the community that is here.
I hope this answers your question Maarten. Tell me, does it?
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Yes, that answers the question. Although it seems to me you could have
gotten the exact same information by reading previous posts, and lurking
here for a while. Like I do.
;)


- Maarten
'chuckd@cox.net' chuckd@cox.net [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 21:32:37 UTC
Permalink
-How old are you?79
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? You mean describe
surely?Yes, the deep end.
-Are you currently active in this field?No
-What is your day job? Are you kidding, nobody hires Grandpa.
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
Of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

DOS 100%. OS 98% TPF ACP PARS control program 100%

No body will own up to it, but I saved the Credit Authorization System at
AMEX in 1973. It was dead in the water and I brought it back to life. I
was the one that suggested converting from ISAM-DOS to ACP/ The boys from
Memphis took it over and would not give me the raise I needed after three
years so I went elseware.

Chuck Dpwns




-------Original Message-------

From: William D ASM ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Date: 5/1/2017 5:03:30 AM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time.


On 01/05/2017 10:05, Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
wrote:



Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.


I don't mind answering either ;-)
-How old are you? 78

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? You mean describe
surely? - Mainly by being thrown into the deep end.

-Are you currently active in this field? No

-What is your day job? I'm retired.

-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

1) Disk Monitor System 2 (DM2 - IBM 1130) - university level (2)
2) CSTS and CSTS2 from CSC (Sperry-Univac 1108 then Sperry 1111) - very
well, for a number of years I was the main support in this country (8)
3) OS/VS1 - not well (3)
4) MVS/SP - moderately well although I am learning a lot more now through
the good offices of support groups like this one (5-6)
5) MVS-XA then MVS-ESA - well enough to IPL and install our products - the
TP monitor (COM-PLETE), ADABAS and NATURAL (5)
6) DOS/VSE, VSE/SP and VSE/ESA - more or less as per point 5. (4)

Also a brief encounter with Borroughs MCP but don't really remember much of
that.
HTH
Bill Turner (the South African one)




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jimruddy1953@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-01 21:53:24 UTC
Permalink
How old are you? - 63. I suspect many of the younger people using mainframes have other interests than 35+ year old operating systems.
How would you subscribe your mainframe history? - Started out on 360/MVT writing Fortran as a college freshman, migrated to PL/1, 17 years at Boeing doing data base DBA then system programmer using assembler, PL/1, and REXX on the evolution of MVS to OS/390, nearly 20 years at IBM doing database development using PL/X, REXX, and assembler on OS/390 and z/OS.
Are you currently active in this field?
- Database yes, mainframe no longer professionally
What is your day job?
- Staff Software Engineer for a clustered data base startup.
What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

- 360/MVT - 1
- MVS/370 - 2
- MVS/SP - 3
- MVS/XA - 3
- MVS/ESA - 3
- OS/390 - 4
- z/OS - 7
- z/VM - 2


Jim
Mike Myers mike@mentor-services.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 02:26:32 UTC
Permalink
OK Jeroen:

I'm 76

My mainframe history started at IBM in1966, when I went to systems
programming school on OS/360 on behalf of the IBM Field Engineering
division to support the OS/360 operating system. After training and some
programming projects in the Poughkeepsie lab, I was hired to teach
Program Support Representatives to maintain the OS/360 operating system
by the FE division. In 1971, I was hired by the IBM Systems Development
Division as a member of the team that would design the original MVS
operating system. I was the technical team lead for the development of
the paging subsystem (Virtual and Real Storage Management) for the first
release of MVS. Following that, I was the curriculum owner for the
development and training of MVS courses at the IBM P'ok Mid Hudson
Education department for the next few years. Later I designed the Data
In Virtual (DIV) component of MVS/XA. After a few years doing research
at the IBM Watson Research Center, I joined the VM/XA design team at the
IBM Kingston, NY lab.

About 2 years later, I left IBM to become an MVS systems programming
consultant, where I supported a few IBM customers with their MVS/XA and
VM/XA systems. Eventually I partnered in the formation of Mentor
Services Corporation where I am today.

I am currently active in the field at Mentor Services where I function
as a trainer in MVS and z/OS topics and am active as both a z/OS and zVM
systems programming consultant. So, yes, I am currently active as both a
consultant and instructor.

My main operating system strengths are z/OS, which I would rate as 8/10
or higher and zVM, which I would rate as 6/10 or higher. I am reasonably
proficient in Linux at the server and mainframe level.

My favorite languages are REXX and S/390 assembler, although I maintain
some proficiency in both PL/1 and APL, whenever the opportunity avails
itself.

I am presently also active in the LEAD-IT project with NC A&T State
University to provide mainframe apprenticeship opportunities to
under-served communities (women, minorities, veterans and the disabled)
at the national level.

Mike Myers
Mentor Services Corporation
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Tony Harminc tharminc@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-28 16:27:12 UTC
Permalink
In 1971, I was hired by the IBM Systems Development Division as a member
of the team that would design the original MVS operating system. I was the
technical team lead for the development of the paging subsystem (Virtual
and Real Storage Management) for the first release of MVS.
Mike, I keep forgetting to ask you...

When we ran the first release of MVS ("OS/VS2 Release 2") starting in 1974,
my recollection is that not only were paging datasets VSAM clusters, but
the paging subsystem actually used VSAM to do I/O to them. Some time not
long thereafter (MVS 3.0 or maybe even before), the paging subsystem was
changed to do its own I/O directly (STARTIO), for performance reasons,
while still using VSAM-defined datasets.

Well this is the way I remember it from a time when I was a junior sysprog.
Am I right, or full of it?

Cheers...

Tony H.
quatras.design@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 18:48:26 UTC
Permalink
I have long since stopped making a habit of contributing or even reading the Hercules forum. It has become increasingly fractured, divisive and consumed with minutia at the expense of the average user. Today, I (ill-advisedly) chose to check it out again and happened upon this thread. I was reminded (again) why I stay away.


The initial entry from Jeroen Baten I did not find offensive, though a little peculiar. I do feel that if Jeroen wanted to "survey" people, and "publish the findings" no less, the specifics of how this publishing would have been carried out should have been spelled out first. People are gun-shy and nervous about online privacy - and THIS is Yahoo, with a horrible record in that regard. But, I also felt the proper tone was set by stating if people didn't want to respond there was no need. Not there was any need to state this anyway, since people will do what they wish. As controversies go, that is a pretty tame one - or should have been.


Then there is the reaction from John P. Hartmann, which was extraordinarily (and needlessly) rude. It is not clear whether Jeroen Baten is being compared to a "village idiot" or to a "savage" but the comparison is clearly unflattering and dismissive. I am sorry, but the "please" does nothing to temper this insulting remark; not even close.


As Ivan Warren correctly observed, John P. Hartmann is not a group owner nor a moderator. I am not sure if *anyone* is "in charge" any more, given the slow, painful disintegration of the Hercules group and now its acquisition by Verizon, but if anyone was in charge, it's not John.


Finally, we have the tirade from Fish. Seriously, David, if I had been asked, cold, who of all people associated with Hercules I thought were haughty, snobbish and disrespectful to the group and to me personally, it would be *you*, not John. You gratuitously made matters worse by publicly condemning John with needless vulgarity. I am inclined to tell *you* to take your vulgarity elsewhere, but I know you well enough to know with certainty that you don't listen to anyone - much less me - so there would be no point in asking. I can't speak for others, but I find vulgarity in print to be extremely offensive, and no matter how much you may believe your objections and indignation might be, in my eyes your profanity invalidates anything further you have to say.


What a disappointment you people are.


Here you have Hercules - this amazing accomplishment - slowly fading away because you children can't stop bickering long enough to put your personal differences aside and act like mature grown-ups. Instead of resolving your personal and technical disagreements, you are like a bunch of grade-school children whining to each other, "that's not your toy, it's MY toy" all day long, until the teacher has to come along and smack the both of you for being so mouthy and snotty.


Your group faces an uncertain future with the change of forum management. You don't even know if they will take the Hercules forums and archives and throw them out the window to save money. I seriously doubt that any recovery or re-hosting plan even exists. That would require the coordinated efforts of disciplined adults who sincerely care about the best interests of the members, instead of selfishly inflating their egos at the expense of others.


You know, people like you are labeled as "geeks" and "nerds". Rest assured, those are not compliments. People get to be geeks and nerds by obsessing over and dedicating their lives to *things* instead of *people*. If you were concerned about people instead of things, these rude, childish, vulgar outbursts would not be seen. Instead, you would be dedicating your efforts to ending the forks and splintering of the Hercules base code, creating a single unified platform, and doing everything in your power to help new members become proficient in its use, instead of dismissively abandoning them with an "every man for himself" attitude. Hey, go read some the replies to this survey. The average Hercules user is (very) old. Without drawing in and SUPPORTING new users, the user base is going to die of old age - if it doesn't self-destruct first.


Is THIS the best you can do? SERIOUSLY ?
Dave McGuire Mcguire@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 18:58:40 UTC
Permalink
<keanu>
Whoa.
</keanu>

While I'm not quite so anal as to mind "bad words", and I wear the
badge of "geek" as if it were a medal, I have to say:

Well said.

-Dave
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
I have long since stopped making a habit of contributing or even reading
the Hercules forum. It has become increasingly fractured, divisive and
consumed with minutia at the expense of the average user. Today, I
(ill-advisedly) chose to check it out again and happened upon this
thread. I was reminded (again) why I stay away.
The initial entry from Jeroen Baten I did not find offensive, though a
little peculiar. I do feel that if Jeroen wanted to "survey" people,
and "publish the findings" no less, the specifics of how this publishing
would have been carried out should have been spelled out first. People
are gun-shy and nervous about online privacy - and THIS is Yahoo, with a
horrible record in that regard. But, I also felt the proper tone was
set by stating if people didn't want to respond there was no need. Not
there was any need to state this anyway, since people will do what they
wish.&nb sp; As controversies go, that is a pretty tame one - or should
have been.
Then there is the reaction from John P. Hartmann, which was
extraordinarily (and needlessly) rude. It is not clear whether Jeroen
Baten is being compared to a "village idiot" or to a "savage" but the
comparison is clearly unflattering and dismissive. I am sorry, but the
"please" does nothing to temper this insulting remark; not even close.
As Ivan Warren correctly observed, John P. Hartmann is not a group owner
nor a moderator. I am not sure if *anyone* is "in charge" any more,
given the slow, painful disintegration of the Hercules group and now its
acquisition by Verizon, but if anyone was in charge, it's not John.
Finally, we have the tirade from Fish. Seriously, David, if I had been
asked, cold, who of all people associated with Hercules I thought were
haughty, snobbish and disrespectful to the group and to me personally,
it would be *you*, not John. You gratuitously made matters worse by
publicly condemning John with needless vulgarity. I am inclined to tell
*you* to take your vulgarity elsewhere, but I know you well enough to
know with certainty that you don't listen to anyone - much less me - so
there would be no point in asking. I can't speak for others, but I find
vulgarity in print to be extremely offensive, and no matter how much you
may believe your objections and indignation might be, in my eyes your
profanity invalidates anything further you have to say.
What a disappointment you people are.
Here you have Hercules - this amazing accomplishment - slowly fading
away because you children can't stop bickering long enough to put your
personal differences aside and act like mature grown-ups. Instead of
resolving your personal and technical disagreements, you are like a
bunch of grade-scho ol children whining to each other, "that's not your
toy, it's MY toy" all day long, until the teacher has to come along and
smack the both of you for being so mouthy and snotty.
Your group faces an uncertain future with the change of forum
management. You don't even know if they will take the Hercules forums
and archives and throw them out the window to save money. I seriously
doubt that any recovery or re-hosting plan even exists. That would
require the coordinated efforts of disciplined adults who sincerely care
about the best interests of the members, instead of selfishly inflating
their egos at the expense of others.
You know, people like you are labeled as "geeks" and "nerds". Rest
assured, those are not compliments. People get to be geeks and nerds by
obsessing over and dedicating their lives to *things* instead of
*people*. If you were concerned about people instead of things, these
rude, childish, vulgar outbursts would not be seen. Instead, you would
be dedicating your efforts to ending the forks and splintering of the
Hercules base code, creating a single unified platform, and doing
everything in your power to help new members become proficient in its
use, instead of dismissively abandoning them with an "every man for
himself" attitude. Hey, go read some the replies to this survey. The
average Hercules user is (very) old. Without drawing in and SUPPORTING
new users, the user base is going to die of old age - if it doesn't
self-destruct first.
Is THIS the best you can do? SERIOUSLY ?
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Wayne Bickerdike waynevb@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 19:05:24 UTC
Permalink
As my wife says, 'it costs nothing to be polite, it costs you a lot to be
rude'.
Post by Dave McGuire ***@neurotica.com [hercules-390]
<keanu>
Whoa.
</keanu>
While I'm not quite so anal as to mind "bad words", and I wear the
Well said.
-Dave
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
I have long since stopped making a habit of contributing or even reading
the Hercules forum. It has become increasingly fractured, divisive and
consumed with minutia at the expense of the average user. Today, I
(ill-advisedly) chose to check it out again and happened upon this
thread. I was reminded (again) why I stay away.
The initial entry from Jeroen Baten I did not find offensive, though a
little peculiar. I do feel that if Jeroen wanted to "survey" people,
and "publish the findings" no less, the specifics of how this publishing
would have been carried out should have been spelled out first. People
are gun-shy and nervous about online privacy - and THIS is Yahoo, with a
horrible record in that regard. But, I also felt the proper tone was
set by stating if people didn't want to respond there was no need. Not
there was any need to state this anyway, since people will do what they
wish.&nb sp; As controversies go, that is a pretty tame one - or should
have been.
Then there is the reaction from John P. Hartmann, which was
extraordinarily (and needlessly) rude. It is not clear whether Jeroen
Baten is being compared to a "village idiot" or to a "savage" but the
comparison is clearly unflattering and dismissive. I am sorry, but the
"please" does nothing to temper this insulting remark; not even close.
As Ivan Warren correctly observed, John P. Hartmann is not a group owner
nor a moderator. I am not sure if *anyone* is "in charge" any more,
given the slow, painful disintegration of the Hercules group and now its
acquisition by Verizon, but if anyone was in charge, it's not John.
Finally, we have the tirade from Fish. Seriously, David, if I had been
asked, cold, who of all people associated with Hercules I thought were
haughty, snobbish and disrespectful to the group and to me personally,
it would be *you*, not John. You gratuitously made matters worse by
publicly condemning John with needless vulgarity. I am inclined to tell
*you* to take your vulgarity elsewhere, but I know you well enough to
know with certainty that you don't listen to anyone - much less me - so
there would be no point in asking. I can't speak for others, but I find
vulgarity in print to be extremely offensive, and no matter how much you
may believe your objections and indignation might be, in my eyes your
profanity invalidates anything further you have to say.
What a disappointment you people are.
Here you have Hercules - this amazing accomplishment - slowly fading
away because you children can't stop bickering long enough to put your
personal differences aside and act like mature grown-ups. Instead of
resolving your personal and technical disagreements, you are like a
bunch of grade-scho ol children whining to each other, "that's not your
toy, it's MY toy" all day long, until the teacher has to come along and
smack the both of you for being so mouthy and snotty.
Your group faces an uncertain future with the change of forum
management. You don't even know if they will take the Hercules forums
and archives and throw them out the window to save money. I seriously
doubt that any recovery or re-hosting plan even exists. That would
require the coordinated efforts of disciplined adults who sincerely care
about the best interests of the members, instead of selfishly inflating
their egos at the expense of others.
You know, people like you are labeled as "geeks" and "nerds". Rest
assured, those are not compliments. People get to be geeks and nerds by
obsessing over and dedicating their lives to *things* instead of
*people*. If you were concerned about people instead of things, these
rude, childish, vulgar outbursts would not be seen. Instead, you would
be dedicating your efforts to ending the forks and splintering of the
Hercules base code, creating a single unified platform, and doing
everything in your power to help new members become proficient in its
use, instead of dismissively abandoning them with an "every man for
himself" attitude. Hey, go read some the replies to this survey. The
average Hercules user is (very) old. Without drawing in and SUPPORTING
new users, the user base is going to die of old age - if it doesn't
self-destruct first.
Is THIS the best you can do? SERIOUSLY ?
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Wayne V. Bickerdike
'\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' david.b.trout@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 21:00:04 UTC
Permalink
Robert Hodge wrote:

[...]
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Seriously, David, if I had been asked, cold, who of all
people associated with Hercules I thought were haughty,
snobbish and disrespectful to the group and to me personally,
<snip>

At the risk of someone unfairly claiming THIS response as being "haughty, snobbish and disrespectful", precisely when, pray tell, have I ever been *any* of those things towards the group or towards you in particular? Can you point to specific examples?

I ask because I just reviewed the past seven years of group emails in which I directly replied to one of your posts and found ZERO instances where it could be considered I was rude to you (let alone "haughty, snobbish and disrespectful").

And as far as being "haughty, snobbish and disrespectful" to the group goes, unless you count such responses as my recent one to John, I am completely confident the record shows I have virtually always been as helpful and respectful as possible towards the group and towards you as well.

Whatever "haughty, snobbish and disrespectful" posts I may have made to the group and/or towards you in particular (and I'm not saying there aren't, only that I can't find them) are the extremely rare exception and not the usual case.

I don't need enemies. No one does. I believe my track record shows I try very hard to be kind to others in virtually all of my endeavors, group replies included. As such I feel you accusation launched against me is not only unfair and unjust but wholly unjustifiable.

Respectfully submitted.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
http://www.softdevlabs.com
mail: ***@softdevlabs.com
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 23:03:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
the slow, painful disintegration of the
Hercules group and now its acquisition
by Verizon,
Yikes.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Your group faces an uncertain future with
the change of forum management. You
don't even know if they will take the
Hercules forums and archives and throw
them out the window to save money. I
seriously doubt that any recovery or
re-hosting plan even exists.
Where do we stand? I assume that
people who elected to receive forum
messages via email can provide a
backup for us?

Where can we then take those backups?

If we suddenly lose contact with each
other, how will we advertise the new
location? Should it be advertised on
hercules-390.eu or mvs380.sf.net
or both?
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Instead, you would be dedicating your
efforts to ending the forks and splintering
of the Hercules base code, creating a
single unified platform,
I had a thought about this. How about
any instructions, like BSM, that are not
expected to be executed while in
normal S/370 mode, are made
privileged instructions at startup.

That way there would hopefully be no
overhead, as the bottlenecked
application will normally be running
in problem mode, so the first test
of "is this privileged?" (which is
required regardless) will return
true, and thus go into failure mode
code, where the BSM can then be
singled out as not just privileged,
but actually non-existent, and abend
appropriately.

If we're running in privileged mode,
then yes, another test will be required,
introducing some overhead.

BFN. Paul.
Robert Prins robert.ah.prins@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-10 09:58:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Here you have Hercules - this amazing accomplishment - slowly fading away
because you children can't stop bickering long enough to put your personal
differences aside and act like mature grown-ups. Instead of resolving your
personal and technical disagreements, you are like a bunch of grade-school
children whining to each other, "that's not your toy, it's MY toy" all day
long, until the teacher has to come along and smack the both of you for being
so mouthy and snotty.
+42 (at least...)

And for what it's worth, I would also like to see one particular
person stop this group as a begging forum. If you cannot afford to
live where you live now, move! I may be wrong, but moving within a
country is probably easier than moving countries, and having moved
from the Netherlands to the UK to Belgium (and now living nearly full
time in Lithuania) I ***do*** have a bit of experience moving
countries...
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Your group faces an uncertain future with the change of forum management.
You don't even know if they will take the Hercules forums and archives and
throw them out the window to save money. I seriously doubt that any recovery
or re-hosting plan even exists. That would require the coordinated efforts
of disciplined adults who sincerely care about the best interests of the
members, instead of selfishly inflating their egos at the expense of others.
If all members of this group would support it, it would not be
impossible to set up a Usenet group

news://comp.sys.hercules

and if we were to make it moderated, it would probably be possible to
make use of the moderation software of other moderated groups, and
being a follower and occasional poster in comp.lang.asm.x86, a group
that went from an unmoderated spamfest to moderated a decade(or more?)
so ago, their moderation software is very good, and they might want to
share it...

And if there was some consensus (ha, ha, ha?) to go this way, I would
suggest that ***all*** Hercules groups are merged, and that posters
tag their posts with the likes of [380], [DOS], [MVS], etc making it
easy to filter out only relevant material.

As for the "Why not

comp.sys.hercules.this,
comp.sys.hercules.that,
comp.sys.hercules.other,
comp.sys.hercules.42,
comp.sys.hercules.and-now-for-something-completely.different,

etc?"

That's what some misguided people thought about comp.lang.pascal,
splitting it up in ...ansi-iso/borland/mac/misc, where

ansi-iso, borland and mac are for all intents and purposed dead, and
misc has turned into the personal "blog" of one, admittedly talented,
Pascal developer.

My €0.02...

Robert
--
Robert AH Prins
robert.ah.prins(a)gmail.com
'chuckd@cox.net' chuckd@cox.net [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 12:28:01 UTC
Permalink
I am Chuck Downs not Chuck Dpwns. I missed that my eye are not as good as
they were.

Chuck Downs




-------Original Message-------

From: '***@cox.net' ***@cox.net [hercules-390]
Date: 5/1/2017 2:42:21 PM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time.


-How old are you?79
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? You mean describe
surely?Yes, the deep end.
-Are you currently active in this field?No
-What is your day job? Are you kidding, nobody hires Grandpa.
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
Of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

DOS 100%. OS 98% TPF ACP PARS control program 100%

No body will own up to it, but I saved the Credit Authorization System at
AMEX in 1973. It was dead in the water and I brought it back to life. I
was the one that suggested converting from ISAM-DOS to ACP/ The boys from
Memphis took it over and would not give me the raise I needed after three
years so I went elseware.

Chuck Dpwns




-------Original Message-------

From: William D ASM ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Date: 5/1/2017 5:03:30 AM
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time.


On 01/05/2017 10:05, Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
wrote:



Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.


I don't mind answering either ;-)
-How old are you? 78

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? You mean describe
surely? - Mainly by being thrown into the deep end.

-Are you currently active in this field? No

-What is your day job? I'm retired.

-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

1) Disk Monitor System 2 (DM2 - IBM 1130) - university level (2)
2) CSTS and CSTS2 from CSC (Sperry-Univac 1108 then Sperry 1111) - very
well, for a number of years I was the main support in this country (8)
3) OS/VS1 - not well (3)
4) MVS/SP - moderately well although I am learning a lot more now through
the good offices of support groups like this one (5-6)
5) MVS-XA then MVS-ESA - well enough to IPL and install our products - the
TP monitor (COM-PLETE), ADABAS and NATURAL (5)
6) DOS/VSE, VSE/SP and VSE/ESA - more or less as per point 5. (4)

Also a brief encounter with Borroughs MCP but don't really remember much of
that.
HTH
Bill Turner (the South African one)




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amphitryon9121@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 18:23:00 UTC
Permalink
For your and others' curiosity (Huhu! NSA!! Are you listening!?):

-How old are you?
Currently on the 59th round.

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
Well, as a student at a job interview I presented the documentation of an HP-41 application. If I could do similar on a mainframe? I had no idea and said YES! - the rest was training on the job, big fun until the sad shutdown. From the highlight only the last one: John's Pipelines made it possible to do my job w/o additional staff (as requested). The PCs at that time with Windoze 3.11 or some on 95 faild for that task. (Today I regard it as a mistake not to insist on more staff, but I still enjoy my partial knowledge of Pipelines).

-Are you currently active in this field?
No! Hobby only, nothing serious, aimless nostalgia. As hobby I use Pipelines to connect to pocket calculators and its peripherals. Published is only one example, a delta sniffer for 'Virtual HP-IL", if you are interested: http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-1282-post-21084.html#pid21084 http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-1282-post-21084.html#pid21084
Or extracting the _original_ firmware of the HP 'Voyager' series calculators contained (since V6 nicely concealed) in the frimware files for their rebuilds here: http://www.swissmicros.com/firmware/?C=M;O=D http://www.swissmicros.com/firmware/?C=M;O=D
Needless to say that I do have an interpreter for it under VM, so I am able to run HP-12C, etc. and also the HP-41 on 'my mainframe'. (Since few month even in a useful manner due to a 3270 emulator offering on-screen window buttons to simulate the keybord.)

-What is your day job?
I am retired.

-What mainframe OS's do you know?
As class G user my knowledge is limited, so I give no rating, judge yourself: I still use Kris Buellen's DRM even on z/VM, and up to now I was not able to install Linux on it.
From work VM/SP, VM/HPO, VM/ESA, as hobbyist only z/VM 5.3 EvalEd.

One additional word: as retiree I do not need neither VM nor Pipelines nor Hercules any more, there is no advantage any more and with my skills I may not contribute too much (only once I delivered a stable test case to nail down a rare assert failure). But even without benefit I feel sad to see maintenance of Hercules teminated with release 3.12. -- Yes, I know about R4 efforts, and I see also the plans here: http://www.hercules-390.eu/hercnew.html http://www.hercules-390.eu/hercnew.html
Hard cheese, too bad.

Ciao.....Mike
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 18:39:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
I feel sad to see maintenance of Hercules
teminated with release 3.12.
Where did you read that there won't
be a 3.13 or similar?

BFN. Paul.
amphitryon9121@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 19:45:34 UTC
Permalink
(My reply did not show up. So here once more, may be doubled, sorry):

There was no distinct announcement about this matter. Alas, the hints here and there in this list are obvious enough for me not to expect an R3.13 in the near future. Or is there somebody at it to fix the remaining errors, also the additional introduced since R3.09?
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 20:02:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
obvious enough for me not to expect an
R3.13 in the near future.
There was a large gap between 3.07
and 3.08 too.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
Or is there somebody at it to fix the remaining
errors,
Errors are being actively fixed in 4.0
or similar by people like Fish.

As far as I know, Roger is the only
one involved in the 3.xx stream and
is mainly copying selected fixes
from 4.0.

I haven't heard that he has stopped
that process permanently.

BFN. Paul.
amphitryon9121@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 21:23:53 UTC
Permalink
We have a subject drift now.
There was a large gap between 3.07 and 3.08 too.
I have no test procedure to check if releases fit for me or not. I used to install updates untested, run my favorite OS with it and when I see nothing unexpected, I'll stay with it. That way I could not yet observe large gaps between releases.

Theoreticly I even do not need an update as lonng everything works as expected. But then I see some plans in here http://www.hercules-390.eu/hercnew.html, http://www.hercules-390.eu/hercnew.html 'What's planned for release 4.00', and few items make me nosy:
REXX support (Jan Jaeger) Object REXX support (Enrico Sorichetti Using pre-configured tunnel device with CTCI (John P. Hartmann) But that is for 4.00, not 3.13 ;)

I mentioned 3.09 as I had to install it again for an elder VM someone sent me _unasked_ (!! - funny enough, on top of that I did not refuse to accept it). Under R3.12 every now and then Operator or one of the service machines hang. Under R3.09 no problem.
Errors are being actively fixed in 4.0
or similar by people like Fish.
Yes, nice. But up to now I regard that fork mainly as experimental. Could be I am wrong, if I irritate someone with this point of view: sorry.
As far as I know, Roger is the only
one involved in the 3.xx stream and
is mainly copying selected fixes
from 4.0.
I assume this selection is a kind of quality assurance.
I haven't heard that he has stopped
that process permanently.
Good to hear that, so there is still hope for a R3.13 to show up one day.

Ciao.....Mike
amphitryon9121@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-02 20:14:40 UTC
Permalink
There was no distinct announcement about this, but the hints here and there in this list are indicators enough for me not to expect a R3.13 in the near furure. Or is there somebody at it to fix the errors introduced since R3.09?

Ciao.....Mike
Mick Graley mick.graley@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-05-12 00:41:15 UTC
Permalink
Hi Jeroen,

-How old are you?

45 (am I the youngest to reply yet?)

-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?

Started as a trainee apps programmer at age 17 in 1989 on MVS/XA.
COBOL, CICS, DB2, DL/I, VSAM, SAS, CSP, CLIST, REXX, Assembler.
Moved into the DB2 systems side of things in 1994.

-Are you currently active in this field?

Yes

-What is your day job?

DB2 for z/OS DBA/SysAdm/SysProg, Adabas/Natural DBA, Trainee IMS DBA.

-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

MVS/XA through z/OS, 7/10.
z/VM, 1/10.
zLinux, 2/10.

Cheers,

Mick.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Joe McMahon joe.mcmahon@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-09 23:49:14 UTC
Permalink
I've deleted my Yahoo! accounts because I use them so little, but it does
seem that we have some problems, social issues aside:
- We have Jay Maynard off in the weeds. What is/was he responsible for,
and who can take it over, at least in the interim?
I don't think we can wait around and see what he does; if he comes
back, then whoever took over can hand it back -- or
Jay can deal with the fact that he disappeared and left things up in
the air. I lean to #2.
- If we're concerned that the archives are going to disappear, I'd
recommend that we get anything that we really want to keep
over to the Internet Archive, as the least-likely-to-go-away spot. If
it's put into as platform-neutral a format as possible,
individuals can back it up in the event that the Archive is forced to
remove it or the Archive goes offline.
- What other resources do we have? Should we gather them up and get them
on Github, or Bitbucket, or ...?
- What's the status of Hercules itself? Who's currently managing commits
and releases?
- Do we have a central, non-Yahoo spot to store a directory of this
information? A wikia wiki, perhaps?
- DO we have any way to track our tasks, to-do and done? Maybe a Trello
board?

I think we're just going to have to take action and get stuff done. Some of
the most prolific contributors are having personal troubles -- that's a
thing that happens, and my sympathy is with them -- but we need to get
things organized to eliminate SPOFs.

I'm mostly a listener here but I can help coordinate this if we can come up
with the task list so we can get it cleared up. Or if someone else wants to
take the lead, go ahead.
'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-10 08:01:34 UTC
Permalink
I don’t think we need to do anything (well not much)
.



1. The list e-mails are archived at nabble and gmame
2. Since the switch to GIT each GIT clone contains a full history of the source. Issues are also tracked here.
3. Issues are I think being tracked on GitHub



https://github.com/hercules-390



and the GIT team are managing releases
. Although with some disagreement about progress. However lets face it Hercules is a mature product. It doesn’t need too much managing..



Dave

G4UGM



From: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 10 June 2017 00:49
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: And another question, non technical this time.








I've deleted my Yahoo! accounts because I use them so little, but it does seem that we have some problems, social issues aside:

- We have Jay Maynard off in the weeds. What is/was he responsible for, and who can take it over, at least in the interim?

I don't think we can wait around and see what he does; if he comes back, then whoever took over can hand it back -- or

Jay can deal with the fact that he disappeared and left things up in the air. I lean to #2.

- If we're concerned that the archives are going to disappear, I'd recommend that we get anything that we really want to keep

over to the Internet Archive, as the least-likely-to-go-away spot. If it's put into as platform-neutral a format as possible,

individuals can back it up in the event that the Archive is forced to remove it or the Archive goes offline.

- What other resources do we have? Should we gather them up and get them on Github, or Bitbucket, or ...?

- What's the status of Hercules itself? Who's currently managing commits and releases?

- Do we have a central, non-Yahoo spot to store a directory of this information? A wikia wiki, perhaps?

- DO we have any way to track our tasks, to-do and done? Maybe a Trello board?



I think we're just going to have to take action and get stuff done. Some of the most prolific contributors are having personal troubles -- that's a thing that happens, and my sympathy is with them -- but we need to get things organized to eliminate SPOFs.

I'm mostly a listener here but I can help coordinate this if we can come up with the task list so we can get it cleared up. Or if someone else wants to take the lead, go ahead.
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2017-06-11 01:36:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by 'Dave Wade' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
The list e-mails are archived at nabble
and gmame
I just checked nabble, and Hercules-390
is indeed archived, as are MVS and VM:

http://hercules390.996247.n3.nabble.com/Hercules390-f2.subapps.html

But I didn't see hercules-os380

Is it too late to add it and get the history?

Thanks. Paul.
W Mainframe mainframew@yahoo.com [hercules-390]
2017-06-10 12:26:49 UTC
Permalink
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } -How old are you? 41
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history? I started when my father showed me a 3270 terminal running a VM370... At that moment I was 15 years. Not as a professional but as I person who knew that it would be my life. Since 92 I am working with MVS, VSE and VM, always as sysprog, tool developer and consultant for different companies. I have a good skill in programming languages such as PL/I, PL/X, Assembler (my preferred), C, Java, Rexx (my preferred), COBOL (my preferred), CSP. I manage DB2 and CICS... I have been working in different tools to upsizing AS400 to Z and vice-versa (my focus at the moment). In paralell I always worked with Linux and Windows platforms.
-Are you currently active in this field? Yes.. IT employed
-What is your day job? Sysprog and Software developer
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge 
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
MVS Sysprog 9 (because I learn a new thing everyday)VM Sysprog 8 (same as above)VSE Sysprog 7 (same as above)OS400 Developer 9 (same as above)Linux Sysprog and Developer 9 (same as above)
Dan

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, May 1, 2017, 5:06 AM, Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390] <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi,

Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.

If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.

-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?

I guess this is a nice starting point.

I hope you find a few minutes for this.

(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten

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Gavin Eadie gavin@umich.edu [hercules-390]
2017-06-10 17:24:31 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
69
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
historical
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
no .. I brought up MTS on a MacBook on a trans-continent red-eye many years ago and continue to be occasionally and peripherally involved in that activity
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
retired, now private iOS app developer
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
MTS (app and sys programmer: 1973~1986) .. Knowledge: 7-8
Beth xena@media.mit.edu [hercules-390]
2017-06-10 13:00:38 UTC
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Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How old are you?
50.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
First introduced to an IBM mainframe at university and continued for a
few years afterwards at a consulting firm that developed GIS systems on
VM, MVS, and AIX.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-Are you currently active in this field?
No.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
Systems engineer, linux/windows/vmware esxi.
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
At one time I was quite strong on VM (8), less so on MVS (6).

Beth
Jeroen Baten jbaten@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
2018-04-15 10:17:52 UTC
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Hi,

Sorry for the long delay. Other stuff always happens.

Anyway, as promised the preliminary results are:

Average age 61,6 with a standard deviation of 12,4

I humbly thank everyone who took the time to reply to my post.

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
 
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
-Are you currently active in this field?
-What is your day job?
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
--
Jeroen Baten | EMAIL : ***@I2RS.NL
____ _ __ | web : www.i2rs.nl
| )|_)(_ | tel : +31 (0)345 - 75 26 28
_|_/_| \__) | Molenwindsingel 46, 4105 HK, Culemborg, the Netherlands
'Marcel Faber ' marcel.faber@kpnplanet.nl [hercules-390]
2018-04-15 10:22:22 UTC
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Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10

Van: Jeroen Baten ***@i2rs.nl [hercules-390]
Verzonden: zondag 15 april 2018 12:18
Aan: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: [hercules-390] And another question, non technical this time..

 
Hi,

Sorry for the long delay. Other stuff always happens.

Anyway, as promised the preliminary results are:

Average age 61,6 with a standard deviation of 12,4

I humbly thank everyone who took the time to reply to my post.

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
 
Hi,
Just out of curiosity. What kind of people are a member of this group?
Obviously with mainframe knowledge, but please indulge me in a small
statistical survey. It is not a commercial survey, I don't want to sell
anything. I'm just curious about this community of people.
If you all could answer a few questions I will publish the findings.
-How old are you?
63
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-How would you subscribe your mainframe history?
1976-1990
Programmer/systems programmer

1996-2008
Programmer
-Are you currently active in this field?

Building websites 😊
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What is your day job?
See above
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
-What mainframe OS's do you know? And how would you rate your knowledge
OS/VS1 / MVS
DOS/VSE
VM
VM/SP
VM/HPO
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
of each on a scale from 1 to 10?
7
Post by Jeroen Baten ***@jeroenbaten.nl [hercules-390]
I guess this is a nice starting point.
I hope you find a few minutes for this.
(If you don't want to respond because you think your personal space is
being violated then just don't. Relax. No problem.)
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
--
Jeroen Baten | EMAIL : ***@I2RS.NL
____ _ __ | web : www.i2rs.nl
| )|_)(_ | tel : +31 (0)345 - 75 26 28
_|_/_| \__) | Molenwindsingel 46, 4105 HK, Culemborg, the Netherlands




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