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Need recommendations on PC/hardware for emulator
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ml@distasis.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 12:32:57 UTC
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Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to the emulator using ftp. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian (AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM, disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.


We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?


Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 13:51:03 UTC
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You have not specified just what you are going to be running, from what
m/f also an idea on current timings on the m/f.
Is it run hourly, daily etc.

Next you say it is Cobol and CICS What cobol compiler is currently used
and what m/f O/S and do you intend to use the same O/S for Hercules.

In other words need some sizing information.

Vince
Our mainframe is going away.  So, we're attempting to use the Hercules
emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information
system written in Cobol and CICS.  We're currently in the process of
seeing if we can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files
from the mainframe to the emulator using ftp.  We're testing all this
on a laptop running Debian (AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a
dedicated PC to move this project to. Any recommendations on best PC
machines/hardware to buy to run the emulator on?  Is there any
hardware support we should make sure is available in the purchased
PC.  For instance, should we try to get a system that supports a SCSI
card?  (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive though, just mainly
ftp).  Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM, disk size, etc.
would be greatly appreciated.  We're considering using a Debian or
Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.
We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move
the files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a
Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start
from scratch on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the
mainframe?
Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you.
'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 15:01:08 UTC
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You may not be able to do this legally, unless it’s a very old version of CICS as its usually licenced to a particular CPU. The TurboHercules project failed because IBM closed it down.

You might want to talk to lzlabs who have a product they believe is legal to run this sort of application



https://www.lzlabs.com/



If you do have a CICS licence you can transfer and want to move files between real MVS and Hercules there are several tools here:-



http://cbttape.org/awstape.htm



that will allow you to create virtual (aws) tapes for moving data


... also xmit format



http://cbttape.org/njw/index.html



as for hardware, it depends on what you are doing.



As others have said you haven’t provided any sizing info so its hard to recommend anything. If you are using TK4 then its basically only a single CPU so the fastest dual core you can get would deliver the best CPU performance,

As performance is all about balance, a fast four core system probably isn’t going to really thrash the i/o so nothing over the top


Old parallel SCSI disks are, as far as I know no longer made. The modern equivalent is (or was when I retired 3 years ago) SAS or serial attached SCSI..

Server grade SSD are available




IBM no longer make intel servers, I used to like them. Personally I would be using something like a x3650 now made by Lenovo. Plenty of disk slots. Two cpu sockets. Pci-express slots




Dave

p.s. IBM also offer shared z servers in the cloud




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Subject: [hercules-390] Need recommendations on PC/hardware for emulator








Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to the emulator using ftp. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian (AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM, disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.



We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?



Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.. Thank you.
ml@distasis.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 15:41:55 UTC
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You may not be able to do this legally, unless it’s a very old version of CICS as its usually licenced to a >particular CPU.
We were hoping to rebuild everything from source and use KICKS ( http://www.kicksfortso.com/ http://www.kicksfortso.com/ ) instead of CICS.
As others have said you haven’t provided any sizing info so its hard to recommend anything. If you are using >TK4 then its basically only a single CPU so the fastest dual core you can get would deliver the best CPU >performance,
As performance is all about balance, a fast four core system probably isn’t going to really thrash the i/o so >nothing over the top

Thanks. That's very helpful. Is there any other hardware you'd recommend purchasing with/for the PC?
You have not specified just what you are going to be running, from what
m/f also an idea on current timings on the m/f.
Is it run hourly, daily etc.
We're running Mainframe Z/OS. We have Cobol/CICS programs that access VSAM files. We're thinking of using this in interactive mode, not batch. We have the source code to rebuild the programs on another operating system that supports COBOL and similar functions/libraries.


We're just trying to create a backup system in case we need to access data we may not have migrated. Only a few people will be using the system, one at a time. The real functionality has already been migrated to a web based (PHP) information system which our users are now accessing.


Thanks again.
Vince Coen vbcoen@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 16:32:49 UTC
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Good that you have all of the source code and migrating to use KICKS
might well work (have not used it as yet) BUT the problem you will have is :

based around what O/S are you going to use ?

If using TK4 with the supplied MVS 3.8 then unless you can install
another, will be forced to use the supplied Cobol compiler.
This does have problems for you as I found out when migrating a
CobolXref tool to it as there is a lot of modern function it just does
NOT have as it is a ANSI COBOL compiler and this came out before Cobol
Level II by about 1 - 2 years as a full release,

I remember working at a site that had the ANSI compiler and we very
quickly realised it was a non starter as involved a lot of extra coding
to support the requirements.  I remember contacting my support  person
at IBM who advised me that if we could to hold off as a new compiler
would come out that would get rid of a lot of the problems.

I managed to worm out of IBM an advanced copy of said compiler after
giving assurances that I would forward all bugs with it and for a good
while was a multi day occurrence to the point that they gave me a copy
of the sources so I could test a fix before passing it to IBM as an update.

I was so busy with this that I stopped doing any Cobol programming
(other than for testing etc) and just worked on the compiler. Although I
did manage to find time to do some.


Basically avoid using the older compiler if you can.

If your company has a license for z/OS and you can migrate that over to
run on Herc and test it along with a recompile of all the sources.

If you can get KICKS to play nice then that will save you some money of
the license for CICS.

Now for the kit to run Herc on and here I am going to assume that you
will use Z/os or sim.

Herc will run multiple CPU for an O/S that can handle it coming to think
about it I run it even with MVS as a 2 cpu system.

This is run on a AMD FX 8350 8 core with 16Gb Ram and 6+ TB DASD but
where only one or two is for m/f usage.

This runs at least for my work with a light load (under 10%<) but in
batch work only.

As you want to run interactive mode that will increase the resources
requirement but this will depend on the number of users running at the
same time.

Of course you can run one instance of Herc with say 2 - 4 CPUs and
another with say 2 then run some test to see what is the performance hit
for each and adjust the structure of Herc, CPU's and Herc instances as
you may well be able to run say 4 instances of Herc single CPU for each.

Does depend on how CPU intensive your applications are - don't forget
there is a wee overhead for KICS itself.

Hard drive wise (DASD) suggest you consider WD Black or Purple high
performance drives i.e., 10,000 rpm and Sata 3+

You could consider 1Tb SSD's as well to run the system, herc and m/f O/S
and leave the DASD for the application data - does depend on the
applications etc.

If you do play with SSD make very sure you use top of the range versions
that have intelligent controllers such as Samsung 960 using an M.2
interface.

Works very well here on both Linux (Mageia v6 16Gb Ram and a Mac Pro
dual Xeon quad core with 26Gb Ram).

Vince
Post by 'Dave Wade' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
You may not be able to do this legally, unless it’s a very old version of
CICS as its usually licenced to a >particular CPU.
We were hoping to rebuild everything from source and use KICKS (
http://www.kicksfortso.com/ ) instead of CICS.
Post by 'Dave Wade' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
As others have said you haven’t provided any sizing info so its hard to
recommend anything. If you are using >TK4 then its basically only a
single CPU so the fastest dual core you can get would deliver the best
CPU >performance,
Post by 'Dave Wade' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
As performance is all about balance, a fast four core system probably
isn’t going to really thrash the i/o so >nothing over the top

Thanks. That's very helpful.  Is there any other hardware you'd
recommend purchasing with/for the PC?
Post by 'Dave Wade' ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
You have not specified just what you are going to be running, from what
m/f also an idea on current timings on the m/f.
Is it run hourly, daily etc.
We're running Mainframe Z/OS.  We have Cobol/CICS programs that access
VSAM files.  We're thinking of using this in interactive mode, not
batch. We have the source code to rebuild the programs on another
operating system that supports COBOL and similar functions/libraries.
We're just trying to create a backup system in case we need to access
data we may not have migrated. Only a few people will be using the
system, one at a time.  The real functionality has already been
migrated to a web based (PHP) information system which our users are
now accessing.
Thanks again.
'Dave Wade' dave.g4ugm@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 16:53:15 UTC
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OK,



If you are going that route then I would expect any modern desktop or tower to perform just fine.

If you find it isn’t fast enough because you want to run reports or other data intensive operations and your disk is the bottle neck get an SSD and put the DASD files on those.

If you want extra reliability put the DASD on SSD and put shadow files on spinning disk so you are not continually writing to SSD.

If that’s still not fast enough mirror the SSD or even RAID-5 them (if you do RAID-5 put shadow files on a non-raid-5 disk)

If you need more CPU then get a faster CPU not more cores




Dave

p.s. the Cobol from www.z390.org <http://www.z390.org> might be less work. Not sure how much CICS and VSAM support is in it






From: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 20 April 2018 16:42
To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Need recommendations on PC/hardware for emulator
You may not be able to do this legally, unless it’s a very old version of CICS as its usually licenced to a >particular CPU.
We were hoping to rebuild everything from source and use KICKS ( http://www..kicksfortso.com/ ) instead of CICS.
As others have said you haven’t provided any sizing info so its hard to recommend anything. If you are using >TK4 then its basically only a single CPU so the fastest dual core you can get would deliver the best CPU >performance,
As performance is all about balance, a fast four core system probably isn’t going to really thrash the i/o so >nothing over the top

Thanks. That's very helpful. Is there any other hardware you'd recommend purchasing with/for the PC?
You have not specified just what you are going to be running, from what
m/f also an idea on current timings on the m/f.
Is it run hourly, daily etc.
We're running Mainframe Z/OS. We have Cobol/CICS programs that access VSAM files. We're thinking of using this in interactive mode, not batch. We have the source code to rebuild the programs on another operating system that supports COBOL and similar functions/libraries.



We're just trying to create a backup system in case we need to access data we may not have migrated. Only a few people will be using the system, one at a time. The real functionality has already been migrated to a web based (PHP) information system which our users are now accessing.



Thanks again.
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2018-04-21 01:48:38 UTC
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Post by ***@distasis.com [hercules-390]
We were hoping to rebuild everything from
source and use KICKS ( http://www.kicksfortso.com/)
instead of CICS.
I think you're ahead of proven technology.

You probably need to use Gnu Cobol, and
I have not seen any reports of that being
ported to our free MVS, although I do
believe it has been proven to work on z/OS.

If you are able to port Gnu Cobol you will
probably need more than 16 MiB of memory,
so you will need to install MVS/380 onto
your TK4- system. MVS/380 now ships as
two small load modules (8k each) and can
be added to any other system. You will need
to use Hercules/380 though, and lose ftp,
or switch between Hercules versions
depending on whether you want to use
large amounts of memory or use ftp.

BFN. Paul.
Mike Schwab Mike.A.Schwab@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 18:57:27 UTC
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I don't disagree with the other replies. How much data are you talking
about? Small enough to fit on a 1TB PC drive? You should be fine. How
many MIPS?

https://www.share.org/blog/i-just-bought-an-ibm-z890-now-what
He bought a 12 year old mainframe, put it in his parent's basement, and got
it running. He didn't have the dasd space, but IBM did offer to license
z/OS 1.13 (2.1 won't install on z890) on it for the minimum capacity of 3
MSU (???30 MIPS???) for $128.00 / month (or so). So can you just keep
running your mainframe until it fails? Replacing failed disks in RAID
arrays before you loose DASD volumes is the big thing, but tapes will fail
too.

To be really legal, I would suggest getting a z/PDT system, with an
agreement with IBM to run your current operating system on it. Only about
$3-4K for z/PDT, can use for testing, can't use for production. If you are
only doing inquiries on historical data you should be fine.
https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_whatsnew
Once you stop paying your z/OS fees on your mainframe, you would
technically no longer be legal.
Users with z/PDT and Hercules on the same system using the same dasd
volumes report z/PDT is 3-5 times faster since it is written in x86-64
assembler vs C.

A modern PC with Hercules with your current z/OS should be able to run 50
MIPS per zCPU core. Reserve 1 PC core to cover PC overhead and define the
number of z CPUs as 1 less than the PC cores.
Post by ***@distasis.com [hercules-390]
Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules
emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system
written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we
can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to
the emulator using ftp. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian
(AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this
project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run
the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is
available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system
that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive
though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM,
disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a
Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.
We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the
files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian
or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch
on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?
Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
Wayne Bickerdike waynevb@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-20 21:01:01 UTC
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Many years ago I used CA REALIA CICS.

Not sold or supported by CA it is basically abandonware.

It has full CICS/COBOL compiler and VSAM support.

Your COBOL code base will need to be ported and recompiled.

Similarly your VSAM data will need to be REPROd to flat files for
conversion.

Basically it's free, just needs your time to convert.

Runs on Windows XP (tested). Would probably run on Windows 7/10 or just use
VBOX.


Find it here:

http://vetusware.com/download/Realia%20II%20Workbench%203.0/?id=9978

I'm going to try it myself, this was/is a great product.
Post by Mike Schwab ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
I don't disagree with the other replies. How much data are you talking
about? Small enough to fit on a 1TB PC drive? You should be fine. How
many MIPS?
https://www.share.org/blog/i-just-bought-an-ibm-z890-now-what
He bought a 12 year old mainframe, put it in his parent's basement, and
got it running. He didn't have the dasd space, but IBM did offer to
license z/OS 1.13 (2.1 won't install on z890) on it for the minimum
capacity of 3 MSU (???30 MIPS???) for $128.00 / month (or so). So can you
just keep running your mainframe until it fails? Replacing failed disks in
RAID arrays before you loose DASD volumes is the big thing, but tapes will
fail too.
To be really legal, I would suggest getting a z/PDT system, with an
agreement with IBM to run your current operating system on it. Only about
$3-4K for z/PDT, can use for testing, can't use for production. If you are
only doing inquiries on historical data you should be fine.
https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/
ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_whatsnew
Once you stop paying your z/OS fees on your mainframe, you would
technically no longer be legal.
Users with z/PDT and Hercules on the same system using the same dasd
volumes report z/PDT is 3-5 times faster since it is written in x86-64
assembler vs C.
A modern PC with Hercules with your current z/OS should be able to run 50
MIPS per zCPU core. Reserve 1 PC core to cover PC overhead and define the
number of z CPUs as 1 less than the PC cores.
Post by ***@distasis.com [hercules-390]
Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules
emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system
written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we
can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to
the emulator using ftp.. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian
(AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this
project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run
the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is
available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system
that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive
though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM,
disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a
Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.
We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the
files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian
or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch
on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?
Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
--
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
--
Wayne V. Bickerdike
Joe Monk joemonk64@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-04-21 12:25:37 UTC
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I would recommend you not look at Hercules. I know it's a very enticing
platform for what you are wanting to do, but there's a better alternative I
think, for your specific situation.

It's called z/PDT from IBM. It's designed for development, you can't run
production on it, but for what you want to do, run queries against VSAM
files, you should be fine.

It's not very expensive, and it will run your CICS programs nicely.

The reason I am making this recommendation is that Mike Noel has stopped
supporting and developing KICKS, so you'd basically be floating on an
island with your CICS application.

Basically, with z/PDT, you just pick up your existing system on the
mainframe and lay it on the PC. Then it will continue to run as is.

https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt

https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_pricing

Joe
Post by ***@distasis.com [hercules-390]
Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules
emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system
written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we
can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to
the emulator using ftp. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian
(AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this
project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run
the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is
available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system
that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive
though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM,
disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a
Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.
We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the
files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian
or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch
on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?
Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
kerravon86@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
2018-04-22 10:10:17 UTC
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Excellent suggestion. Makes a lot more sense for
a commercial enterprise to do that than attempt
to port Gnu Cobol or whatever. Although in the
long term it certainly would be good to have
Gnu Cobol ported.

BFN. Paul.




---In hercules-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

I would recommend you not look at Hercules. I know it's a very enticing platform for what you are wanting to do, but there's a better alternative I think, for your specific situation.

It's called z/PDT from IBM. It's designed for development, you can't run production on it, but for what you want to do, run queries against VSAM files, you should be fine.


It's not very expensive, and it will run your CICS programs nicely.


The reason I am making this recommendation is that Mike Noel has stopped supporting and developing KICKS, so you'd basically be floating on an island with your CICS application.


Basically, with z/PDT, you just pick up your existing system on the mainframe and lay it on the PC. Then it will continue to run as is.


https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt



https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_pricing https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_pricing



Joe






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Our mainframe is going away. So, we're attempting to use the Hercules emulator to create a backup environment to run a legacy information system written in Cobol and CICS. We're currently in the process of seeing if we can move the VSAM files, Cobol source and other files from the mainframe to the emulator using ftp. We're testing all this on a laptop running Debian (AntiX 32 bit) and tk4-. We'd like to get a dedicated PC to move this project to. Any recommendations on best PC machines/hardware to buy to run the emulator on? Is there any hardware support we should make sure is available in the purchased PC. For instance, should we try to get a system that supports a SCSI card? (Don't think we'll be using a tape drive though, just mainly ftp). Any recommendations on optimal hardware, RAM, disk size, etc. would be greatly appreciated. We're considering using a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit Linux operating system.


We installed tk4- in a home directory on the laptop. Can we just move the files in the home directory on the Debian 32 bit machine over to a Debian or Ubuntu 64 bit machine when we get it or do we have to start from scratch on the 64 bit machine and ftp the files over from the mainframe?


Any other tips, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
'\'Fish\' (David B. Trout)' david.b.trout@gmail.com [hercules-390]
2018-05-01 08:06:01 UTC
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Post by Joe Monk ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
It's not very expensive, and it will run your CICS programs nicely.
Only without the ADCD perhaps (which I agree he probably doesn't need), but *with* the ADCD it certainly is!
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
http://www.softdevlabs.com
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