[hercules-390] HLQ dataset Volume

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When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk volume to create it on without specifying the volume?

The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog (CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to the a user catalog.

All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.


Any pointers
..

[Mike Stramba [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS
I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.

Good question. I wanted to do the same thing awhile ago.

I *think* mvs / z/os just searches / assigns based on most available
free space, but that's just a wild guess :)

AFAIK (and probably / maybe stand to be corrected), you have to
specify the VOL either in your JCL or by filling in the 'Volume
Serial' field on the ISRUAASE Allocate New Data
Set" or VOLUME param using the ALLOC command.

Mike

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk
volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this
system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to
the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers
..

['Sivaraam R.' [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Yes...as Mike said in the jcl
'VOLUME=SER=(serial number of)LEIDS1' while specifying the other unit and
disp parms will be working fine.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on

JASYS

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.

Good question. I wanted to do the same thing awhile ago.
I *think* mvs / z/os just searches / assigns based on most available
free space, but that's just a wild guess :)
AFAIK (and probably / maybe stand to be corrected), you have to
specify the VOL either in your JCL or by filling in the 'Volume
Serial' field on the ISRUAASE Allocate New Data
Set" or VOLUME param using the ALLOC command.
Mike

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which

disk

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On

this

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing

to

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want

it

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup

(without

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to

point

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers
..

['Jeffrey Smith' [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Yes, I should have mention If i used the field VOLUME SERIAL using 3.2 (ISRUAASE) and in JCL as describe in the previous reply it works fine but I have it working now,

Post by vitoriarest ***@aol.com [hercules-390]
The volumes are either storage or private.

I change the VATLST00 parm, LEIDS1 from 0,1,3390 to 0,0,3390 so it mounts as storage.



VIEW ADCD.Z110S.PARMLIB(VATLST00) - 01.04

Command ===>

****** ***************************** Top of Data ********

000001 VATDEF IPLUSE(PRIVATE),SYSUSE(PRIVATE)

000002 JASYS1,0,0,3390 ,Y

000003 LEIDS1,0,0,3390 ,N ADDED AS STORAGE VOLUME

****** **************************** Bottom of Data ******



So now if I use the 3.2 and allocate a new dataset without specifying any VOLUME SERIAL info it creates the dataset on the LEIDS1 volume, as least for now.



I'm not sure if this will stay this way when i add more volumes.



Mike not sure yet if the volume with the most space or extents is allocated first when there are multiple storage volumes will affects this?



I will do some more trial and error testing to see how this works. Thanks everyone for the replies.





Jeff







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Date: 11/8/18 12:23 PM (GMT-05:00)

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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] HLQ dataset Volume

Post by vitoriarest ***@aol.com [hercules-390]
So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS
I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.

Good question. I wanted to do the same thing awhile ago.

I *think* mvs / z/os just searches / assigns based on most available
free space, but that's just a wild guess :)

AFAIK (and probably / maybe stand to be corrected), you have to
specify the VOL either in your JCL or by filling in the 'Volume
Serial' field on the ISRUAASE Allocate New Data
Set" or VOLUME param using the ALLOC command.

Mike

Post by vitoriarest ***@aol.com [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk
volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this
system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to
the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers
..

[Clifford McNeill [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Non-specific volume requests without SMS will go to volumes mounted with use attribute of STORAGE. Use MOUNT command to change from PRIVATE to STORAGE and vice-versa to influence which volume(s) a DSN will go to when no VolSer is specified. Parmlib member VATLSTxx sets those volume attributes on IPL. Mount command can change without IPL.
Cliff McNeill

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk
volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this
system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to
the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers…..

[vitoriarest [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

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-------- Original message --------From: "Mike Stramba ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]" <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> Date: 11/8/18 12:23 PM (GMT-05:00) To: hercules-***@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [hercules-390] HLQ dataset Volume
 

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS
I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.

Good question. I wanted to do the same thing awhile ago.

I *think* mvs / z/os just searches / assigns based on most available
free space, but that's just a wild guess :)

AFAIK (and probably / maybe stand to be corrected), you have to
specify the VOL either in your JCL or by filling in the 'Volume
Serial' field on the ISRUAASE Allocate New Data
Set" or VOLUME param using the ALLOC command.

Mike

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk
volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this
system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to
the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers
..

[Mike Schwab [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

On z/OS, the SMS (System Managed Storage), four ACS routines checks to see
if the dataset should go to a Storage Group. These routines are written by
each installation and are often LPAR specific. It will assign a storage
group then the routine will select a volume in the storage group. If not
assigned to a storage group then the PARMLIB(VATLSTxx) use attribute will
specifiy Public for Temporary datasets and Storage for Permanent non-sms
datasets. These are custom and specific to each LPAR.
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieae200/vatlst.htm

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which
disk volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On
this system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog
(CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing
to the a user catalog.
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.
Any pointers
..

[Norman [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

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[Binyamin Dissen [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

An unspecific allocation will go to a volume marked as STORAGE.

To prevent unspecific allocations to go to a volume, mount it PRIVATE.

On 08 Nov 2018 16:12:45 +0000 "***@comcast.net [hercules-390]"
<hercules-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

:>When a dataset is created using a id of an HLQ, how does it know which disk volume to create it on without specifying the volume?
:>
:> The reason I ask, I have a test system using Hercules and Z/OS 1.1. On this system I created a new disk volume (LEIDS1), a new user catalog (CATALOG.USERWK) , a new user called JS51, and an alias to JS51 pointing to the a user catalog.
:>
:> All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.
:>
:>
:> Any pointers…..

[Tony Harminc [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it
to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a
dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is
generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without
SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point
to LEIDS1.

This is a z/OS question that doesn't belong on the H390 group. I can't see
that it has anything at all to do with Hercules.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
Any pointers
..

Ask on IBM-MAIN. There are lots of z/OS-knowledgeable people there.

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send email to ***@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN"

Tony H.

[Gregg Levine [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running an
older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to know more
about how our friend is indeed doing that.

And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast I
think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.
-----
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Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
All works fine except when I create a dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS is generally not being used on this system. So what in the Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.

This is a z/OS question that doesn't belong on the H390 group. I can't see that it has anything at all to do with Hercules.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
Any pointers
..

Ask on IBM-MAIN. There are lots of z/OS-knowledgeable people there.
"For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
Tony H.
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Post by Gregg Levine ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running an
older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way.

Since he said he's running z/OS version 1.1, we all know it's an older
release. :-)

[Tony Harminc [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Post by Gregg Levine ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running an
older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to know more
about how our friend is indeed doing that.

I believe I was perfectly polite. But regardless of the z/OS release,
IBM-MAIN is the place for this kind of question. I, personally, don't care
about the licensing status of anyone's system, and I doubt that anyone on
IBM-MAIN is going to ask either. But there are plenty of people on there
who will be able to help.

Post by Gregg Levine ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast I
think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.

I don't doubt it at all. So how does suggesting that z/OS questions are not
right for the H390 main group relate to IBM's possible interest in the
group?

Tony H.

[Gregg Levine [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

Hello!
Yes you were.

But anyone who just joined the group might not think so. And the rest
is for the same reason.

And the z/PDT system is actually intended for the pro developer,
whoever that is, not the hobbyist.
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Post by Gregg Levine ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running an
older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to know more
about how our friend is indeed doing that.

I believe I was perfectly polite. But regardless of the z/OS release, IBM-MAIN is the place for this kind of question. I, personally, don't care about the licensing status of anyone's system, and I doubt that anyone on IBM-MAIN is going to ask either. But there are plenty of people on there who will be able to help.

Post by Gregg Levine ***@gmail.com [hercules-390]
And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast I
think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.

I don't doubt it at all. So how does suggesting that z/OS questions are not right for the H390 main group relate to IBM's possible interest in the group?
Tony H.
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[mario [e-mail] [hercules-390]]

I truly hope that IBM does read this group, and maybe realizes that perhaps it wouldn't be a bad thing for them
to have "less expensive" options available to those of us who are retired hobbyists! But then again there's
those letters I-B-M .............. :-((((((

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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] HLQ dataset Volume
To: "hercules-390 hercules" <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018, 9:56 PM

Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running
an older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via
Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to
know more about how our friend is indeed
doing that.

And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast
I think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.
-----
Gregg C Levine ***@gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time
and again."

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
All works fine except when I create a

dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new
volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset
like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS
is generally not being used on this system. So what in the
Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on
JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.
This is a z/OS question that doesn't belong on the H390
group. I can't see that it has anything at all to do
with Hercules.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
Any pointers
..

Ask on IBM-MAIN. There are lots of z/OS-knowledgeable people
there.

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People asked for something like that for years,
and IBM delivered it - zPDT - which costs less
than a car.

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those letters I-B-M .............. :-((((((

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To: "hercules-390 hercules" <hercules-***@yahoogroups.com mailto:hercules-***@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018, 9:56 PM

Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running
an older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via
Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to
know more about how our friend is indeed
doing that.

And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast
I think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.
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and again."

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
All works fine except when I create a

dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new
volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset
like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS
is generally not being used on this system. So what in the
Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on
JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.
This is a z/OS question that doesn't belong on the H390
group. I can't see that it has anything at all to do
with Hercules.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
Any pointers
..

Ask on IBM-MAIN. There are lots of z/OS-knowledgeable people
there.

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IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
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Yeah, I combed through IBM’s site to find the price and I was shocked to find that the annual cost is more that my computers, phones and all my kitchen countertop devices. Probably my TV too. And that’s just the annual cost. A permanent license is in used car territory. This either fits in with IBM’s general soak ‘em pricing policies (software and hardware) or a way to dissuade hobbists like us. Strange because I can only assume that the pool of mainframe knowedgable folks is diminishing and if I were them I’d want to encourage us. The bigger the pool of potential empoyees, the more likely companies are to want to stay in the mainmain biz. Example in point. Oracle gives away copies of the database and Java, not to mention a few other things, if you have a developer’s account, which is free. Oracle is among that set of enlightened companies which believe that the more you can generate interest in your products, the better the likelyhood of future corporate licenses. And lets not talk about Linux.

This all of course assumes that IBM wants to stay in the mainframe business..


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Post by ***@yahoo.com.au [hercules-390]
People asked for something like that for years,
and IBM delivered it - zPDT - which costs less
than a car.
BFN. Paul.
I truly hope that IBM does read this group, and maybe realizes that perhaps it wouldn't be a bad thing for them
to have "less expensive" options available to those of us who are retired hobbyists! But then again there's
those letters I-B-M .............. :-((((((
--------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] HLQ dataset Volume
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018, 9:56 PM
Hello!
Let us be polite to the fellow Tony. For all we know he's running
an older release of Z/OS (Ycch!) via
Hercules, or even, (something forbid
it) a newer release the same way. And naturally we'd need to
know more about how our friend is indeed
doing that.
And let us be careful, there's still a rumor going around (very fast
I think) that IBM does read this group and probably the others.
-----
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time
and again."

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
All works fine except when I create a

dataset using the HLQ JS51 I want it to go to a this new
volume (LEIDS1) I created. Instead when I create a dataset
like JS51.TEST1 it goes to a VOLUME called JASYS volume. SMS
is generally not being used on this system. So what in the
Z/OS setup (without SMS) tells it to create the dataset on
JASYS ? I want to change it to point to LEIDS1.
This is a z/OS question that doesn't belong on the H390
group. I can't see that it has anything at all to do
with Hercules.

Post by ***@comcast.net [hercules-390]
Any pointers
..

Ask on IBM-MAIN. There are lots of z/OS-knowledgeable people
there.

"For

IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
instructions,
with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN"

Tony H.
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