Discussion:
ipl 150 problem
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limanowm
2003-06-24 08:34:39 UTC
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Dear all,

I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in command
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL PSW:
00000000 00000080" message.

Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Mariusz


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±è¹ü¼®
2003-06-24 08:50:09 UTC
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change : ESA/390 --> S/370

and then start the hercules with config file.
then connect emulator.
then issue the command "IPL 150"
Post by limanowm
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in command
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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limanowm
2003-06-24 09:31:47 UTC
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So I did.

The emulator showed a bunch of messages like these:
"GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00000000
GR03=00000000 +
GR04=00800000 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=0000010C GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2
PSW=00000005 5000011E INST=0832 SSK 3,2
GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00800000 GR03=00000000
GR04=00000800 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=00000128 GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0011:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0011:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0011:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0011:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0020:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0020:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0020:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0020:Sense=INTREQ"

Probably I have wrong configuration for S/370 architecture.
My config file:
"
#
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370 #this line I added
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
MAINSIZE 8
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01
"


mariusz
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
change : ESA/390 --> S/370
and then start the hercules with config file.
then connect emulator.
then issue the command "IPL 150"
Post by limanowm
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in command
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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Darth Mon
2003-06-24 23:12:58 UTC
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Hi,

I think you need to allocate more memory..
Post by limanowm
MAINSIZE 8
try 32 or maybe 64
Post by limanowm
So I did.
"GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00000000
GR03=00000000 +
GR04=00800000 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=0000010C GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2
PSW=00000005 5000011E INST=0832 SSK 3,2
GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00800000 GR03=00000000
GR04=00000800 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=00000128 GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0011:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0011:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0011:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0011:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0020:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0020:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0020:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0020:Sense=INTREQ"
Probably I have wrong configuration for S/370 architecture.
"
#
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370 #this line I added
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
MAINSIZE 8
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01
"
mariusz
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
change : ESA/390 --> S/370
and then start the hercules with config file.
then connect emulator.
then issue the command "IPL 150"
Post by limanowm
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in
command
Post by limanowm
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
Post by limanowm
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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Gregg C Levine
2003-06-24 23:36:36 UTC
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Agreed. That was my thoughts as well. By the way, <Individual who
suggested that.> what gave you that clew? I saw the classic dump, and
noted that the emulator was complaining about something, but since I
didn't see a wait code, I decided that I would let someone else handle
it.

Jay, how about we make it a rule, that when asking questions why an
operating system refuses to IPL, regardless of what it is, they post
the config file, in addition to asking the questions?
Never mind of course the implications regarding the operating system
or personal preferences.
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Hi,
I think you need to allocate more memory..
Post by limanowm
MAINSIZE 8
try 32 or maybe 64
Post by limanowm
So I did.
"GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00000000
GR03=00000000 +
GR04=00800000 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=0000010C GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2
PSW=00000005 5000011E INST=0832 SSK 3,2
GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00800000 GR03=00000000
GR04=00000800 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=00000128 GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0011:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0011:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0011:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0011:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0020:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0020:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0020:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0020:Sense=INTREQ"
Probably I have wrong configuration for S/370 architecture.
"
#
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370 #this line I added
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
MAINSIZE 8
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01
"
mariusz
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
change : ESA/390 --> S/370
and then start the hercules with config file.
then connect emulator.
then issue the command "IPL 150"
Post by limanowm
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine
(IBM
Post by limanowm
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
Post by limanowm
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in
command
Post by limanowm
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
Post by limanowm
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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Darth Mon
2003-06-25 00:15:22 UTC
Permalink
Hi Gregg (2 g's),

the clue is that the dump looks normal to me and 8MB looks too small
for a mainsize. However, I stand corrected as the more experienced
fellows have pointed out why.

Regards,
Mon
Post by Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Agreed. That was my thoughts as well. By the way, <Individual who
suggested that.> what gave you that clew? I saw the classic dump, and
noted that the emulator was complaining about something, but since I
didn't see a wait code, I decided that I would let someone else handle
it.
Jay, how about we make it a rule, that when asking questions why an
operating system refuses to IPL, regardless of what it is, they post
the config file, in addition to asking the questions?
Never mind of course the implications regarding the operating system
or personal preferences.
-------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Hi,
I think you need to allocate more memory..
Post by limanowm
MAINSIZE 8
try 32 or maybe 64
Post by limanowm
So I did.
"GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00000000
GR03=00000000 +
GR04=00800000 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=0000010C GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2
PSW=00000005 5000011E INST=0832 SSK 3,2
GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00800000 GR03=00000000
GR04=00000800 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=00000128 GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
Post by Gregg C Levine
Post by limanowm
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0011:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0011:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0011:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
Post by Gregg C Levine
Post by limanowm
00000000
HHCCP077I 0011:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0020:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0020:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0020:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
Post by Gregg C Levine
Post by limanowm
00000000
HHCCP077I 0020:Sense=INTREQ"
Probably I have wrong configuration for S/370 architecture.
"
#
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370 #this line I added
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
MAINSIZE 8
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01
"
mariusz
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
change : ESA/390 --> S/370
and then start the hercules with config file.
then connect emulator.
then issue the command "IPL 150"
Post by limanowm
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine
(IBM
Post by limanowm
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
Post by limanowm
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in
command
Post by limanowm
Post by ±è¹ü¼®
Post by limanowm
line I receive "HHCCP030E ESA/390 mode IPL failed: Invalid IPL
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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s***@public.gmane.org
2003-06-25 00:32:01 UTC
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Post by Darth Mon
Hi Gregg (2 g's),
the clue is that the dump looks normal to me and 8MB looks too small
for a mainsize. However, I stand corrected as the more experienced
fellows have pointed out why.
We used to run OS/VS2 in 240K, MFT in 128K. For an OS/360 system, 8
Mbytes is unbelievably enormous!!
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2003-06-25 00:42:31 UTC
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Post by s***@public.gmane.org
We used to run OS/VS2 in 240K, MFT in 128K. For an OS/360 system, 8
Typo
OS/VS1

VS2, even rel 1 may have struggled.
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Greg Smith
2003-06-25 01:00:42 UTC
Permalink
No harm no foul '-)

The os Mariusz is probably trying to run probably wouldn't know
what to do with 16M or more. The point I'm trying to make is
that the pgmintcd 0005 is probably expected. That is, during
os initialization there is probably code similar to the below

la 2,done
st 2,pgmnpsw+4
slr 2,2
slr 3,3
loop ssk 3,2
la 2,2048(,2)
b loop
done clc pgmintcd,=h'5'
bne ohshit

That is, pic 5 is expected in this circumstance, but not under
most other circumstances, so it isn't masked. See doc for the
OSTAILOR config stmt for more details.

Greg (1 g ;-)
Post by Darth Mon
Hi Gregg (2 g's),
the clue is that the dump looks normal to me and 8MB looks too small
for a mainsize. However, I stand corrected as the more experienced
fellows have pointed out why.
Regards,
Mon
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Ronald Tatum
2003-06-25 02:42:18 UTC
Permalink
Greg et al,

This doesn't directly address the gentleman's problem, but I' d be
curious to know if anyone has ever figured out out why IBM didn't/doesn't do
something like the following?
.
.
.
USERMEM DS F SET BY IPL CODE/LOADER
ENDMEMORY DS F
HASPROT DS X
.
.
.
L R0,=X'ffffff'
ST R0,ENDMEMORY assume max at first
.
.
.
*Now find actual memory size
NEWPROG EQU 104
SIZEIT SR ro,ro
STM r0,r1,NEWPROG
L r3,usermem so don't scribble on self
LA r3,256(,r3)
N r3,=f'-256'
LP1 C r3,=x'ffff00'
BC 8,END1
XC 255(r3,r3)
LA r3,255(,r3)
B LP1
END1 BR r1



FINDSIZE BAL R1,SIZEIT
BCTR r3,0
ST r3,ENDMEMORY

.
.
.
PROTECTIT DS 0H
SR r0,r0
STM r0,r1,NEWPROG
L R4,ENDMEMORY
N R3,=F'-2048'
LP2 LTR R3,R3
BZ END2
SSK (R0,R3)
MVI HASPROT,X'FF'
S R3,=F'2048'
B LP2
END2 BR R1
.
.
.
HAVEPROT DS 0H
MVI HASPROT,X'00'
BAL R1,PROTECTIT
.
.
.
The idea was (yes, I've shamelessly lifted the ideas from someone
else's code, but that's not germane) that a halfway smart IPL pgm ought to
know where it loaded the OS and the last address in it plus one (or whatever
one wishes - start of next 2K or 4K chunk makes no difference).

Now, the OS is initializing all the stuff it knows it needs, it's
(presumably) running in supervisor state and needn't worry about any storage
protect keys being set just yet.

So it merrily starts clearing memory *above* itself, having first set
the program check new PSW so that the two fragments of code above are
guaranteed to cause, in the first case, an addressing exception that will go
zinging back to the piece that's trying to find out just how big is memory;
in the second case, if there's no memory protect the global saying same gets
set correctly and if there is protect it also gets set correctly and the OS
has set the keys the way it wants before it goes off and tries to start any
user pgms.

The guy did a similar stunt to figure out what to do about floating
point.

First time I read his code I said "Oh shuckings! Why didn't I think of
that?" Then "Why in the H... didn't IBM do it that way?" I'm still
mystified...

BTW, please don't get your knickers in a twist if the ALC syntax is a bit
garbled: I quickly sight-translated the example from known good code in
another *much* nicer/more civilized language that has block structure ...;-)

Regards,
Ron T.
.
.
.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Smith" <gsmith-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by Greg Smith
No harm no foul '-)
The os Mariusz is probably trying to run probably wouldn't know
what to do with 16M or more. The point I'm trying to make is
that the pgmintcd 0005 is probably expected. That is, during
os initialization there is probably code similar to the below
la 2,done
st 2,pgmnpsw+4
slr 2,2
slr 3,3
loop ssk 3,2
la 2,2048(,2)
b loop
done clc pgmintcd,=h'5'
bne ohshit
That is, pic 5 is expected in this circumstance, but not under
most other circumstances, so it isn't masked. See doc for the
OSTAILOR config stmt for more details.
Greg (1 g ;-)
Post by Darth Mon
Hi Gregg (2 g's),
the clue is that the dump looks normal to me and 8MB looks too small
for a mainsize. However, I stand corrected as the more experienced
fellows have pointed out why.
Regards,
Mon
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2003-06-25 02:52:58 UTC
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Post by Ronald Tatum
Greg et al,
This doesn't directly address the gentleman's problem, but I' d be
curious to know if anyone has ever figured out out why IBM didn't/doesn't do
something like the following?
.
The code's a bit difficult with that random indentation;-(

Does it cope with disjoint RAM? On our 3168s, we could separate out the
two CPUs of an SMP system while it was running.

One evening I spent time showing the operators how to get out a CPU, a
meg of RAM - they know the other stuff - so I could run my one-pack VS1
system. When I finished, we put it all back together again.

_That_ would be an interesting trick to pull in Hercules;-) We need two
service processors on an MP system S/370.
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Ronald Tatum
2003-06-25 03:44:06 UTC
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John,

Random indents? Blame M$'s OE...

When the particular OS was written, there was no such thing as disjoint
memory, and no MP mainframes. It was actually originally done for 360 (where
LCS, the 8 mic slow core stuff, was possible). Later mod'd for early 370s
where no LCS was available usually. The thing did run on anything from a
360/30 to a 360/91 (92?). If it "thought" there was LCS, it spooled all unit
record I/O there instead of to disk ....

If you'd like a zipped source for it, I'd be happy to e-mail you a
copy.

Regards,
Ron T.
----- Original Message -----
From: <summer-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by s***@public.gmane.org
Post by Ronald Tatum
Greg et al,
This doesn't directly address the gentleman's problem, but I' d be
curious to know if anyone has ever figured out out why IBM
didn't/doesn't do
Post by s***@public.gmane.org
Post by Ronald Tatum
something like the following?
.
The code's a bit difficult with that random indentation;-(
Does it cope with disjoint RAM? On our 3168s, we could separate out the
two CPUs of an SMP system while it was running.
One evening I spent time showing the operators how to get out a CPU, a
meg of RAM - they know the other stuff - so I could run my one-pack VS1
system. When I finished, we put it all back together again.
_That_ would be an interesting trick to pull in Hercules;-) We need two
service processors on an MP system S/370.
--
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2003-06-25 05:02:49 UTC
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Post by Ronald Tatum
John,
Random indents? Blame M$'s OE...
I thought you might have been trying to align columns while using a
variable-spaced font - my wife will not learn not to do that, but it
could equally-well have been Lookout Express beautifying it;-)
Post by Ronald Tatum
When the particular OS was written, there was no such thing as disjoint
memory, and no MP mainframes. It was actually originally done for 360 (where
Nonetheless, I believe the later releases of OS/360 would run on a
single-CPU 3168, and then disjoint RAM was a possibility.
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Volker Bandke
2003-07-19 12:59:17 UTC
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Ronald, I tried to send you some emails, but they all bounced.
could you contact me please?!




With kind Regards |\ _,,,---,,_
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He who hesitates is sometimes saved.

(Another Wisdom from my fortune cookie jar)


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Tatum [mailto:rhtatum-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:42 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem


Greg et al,

<rest snipped because irrelevant to current post>

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Ronald Tatum
2003-07-19 15:38:45 UTC
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Volker,

This is Ronald Tatum; I havn't seen any messages (on or off list) from
you directed specifically to me. I still see (I think) most of the
Hercules-390's traffic, so I am puzzled; the e-mail address is still, so far
as I know, rhtatum at door.net. Try to e-mail me directly as an off-list
addressee and perhaps we can figure/fumble out what's happening, OK?

Regards,
Ron T.
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To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by Fish
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Ronald, I tried to send you some emails, but they all bounced.
could you contact me please?!
With kind Regards |\ _,,,---,,_
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Greg et al,
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2003-07-19 18:24:01 UTC
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Ron,

I did try to send a private email to rhtatum @ door.net and after a
week I got a message: delivery failed, timout. I am sending this to
the list and private address and hope for the best








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sweet, and a kiss to salute the future.

(Another Wisdom from my fortune cookie jar)


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Tatum [mailto:rhtatum-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 5:39 PM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem


Volker,

This is Ronald Tatum; I havn't seen any messages (on or off list)
from
you directed specifically to me. I still see (I think) most of the
Hercules-390's traffic, so I am puzzled; the e-mail address is still,
so far
as I know, rhtatum at door.net. Try to e-mail me directly as an
off-list
addressee and perhaps we can figure/fumble out what's happening, OK?

Regards,
Ron T.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Volker Bandke" <vbandke-YBl2UDX+LVZWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org>
To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by Fish
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Ronald, I tried to send you some emails, but they all bounced.
could you contact me please?!
With kind Regards |\ _,,,---,,_
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,
Volker Bandke |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'
(BSP GmbH) '---''(_/--' `-'\_)
He who hesitates is sometimes saved.
(Another Wisdom from my fortune cookie jar)
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Greg et al,
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2003-07-19 19:50:27 UTC
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Volker,

Yep, something's messed up. Got your e-mail on the list, never saw
diddly in the way of a private message. Looks like to me, at least right
now, that something's amiss with my ISP. If I can receive (at least up until
a couple days ago) messages from Sam G., I ought to be able to receive them
from anyone. Makes no sense at all ((:8(.
Ron.
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To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by Fish
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Ron,
week I got a message: delivery failed, timout. I am sending this to
the list and private address and hope for the best
With kind Regards |\ _,,,---,,_
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,
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A sponge to wipe out the past, a rose to make the present
sweet, and a kiss to salute the future.
(Another Wisdom from my fortune cookie jar)
- -----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Volker,
This is Ronald Tatum; I havn't seen any messages (on or off list)
from
you directed specifically to me. I still see (I think) most of the
Hercules-390's traffic, so I am puzzled; the e-mail address is still,
so far
as I know, rhtatum at door.net. Try to e-mail me directly as an
off-list
addressee and perhaps we can figure/fumble out what's happening, OK?
Regards,
Ron T.
- ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by Fish
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Ronald, I tried to send you some emails, but they all bounced.
could you contact me please?!
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He who hesitates is sometimes saved.
(Another Wisdom from my fortune cookie jar)
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John Summerfield
2003-07-19 23:21:46 UTC
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Volker,
This is Ronald Tatum; I havn't seen any messages (on or off list) from
you directed specifically to me. I still see (I think) most of the
Hercules-390's traffic, so I am puzzled; the e-mail address is still, so far
as I know, rhtatum at door.net. Try to e-mail me directly as an off-list
addressee and perhaps we can figure/fumble out what's happening, OK?
I replied to both emails you sent me offlist, the replies sat in my
queue five days and finally bounced because you kept timing out.

I've been waiting to hear from you on-list again.
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Ronald Tatum
2003-07-20 15:47:07 UTC
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John, et al.,

OK, I think my ISP/Outlook Express monkeyman has a problem with what they
did to me and a bunch of other folks. Thanks for the corroborative evidence.
Regards,
Ron Tatum
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To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Post by John Summerfield
Post by Ronald Tatum
Volker,
This is Ronald Tatum; I havn't seen any messages (on or off list) from
you directed specifically to me. I still see (I think) most of the
Hercules-390's traffic, so I am puzzled; the e-mail address is still, so far
as I know, rhtatum at door.net. Try to e-mail me directly as an off-list
addressee and perhaps we can figure/fumble out what's happening, OK?
I replied to both emails you sent me offlist, the replies sat in my
queue five days and finally bounced because you kept timing out.
I've been waiting to hear from you on-list again.
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Volker Bandke
2003-06-25 06:24:03 UTC
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regg,

why was your thought that 8 MB is not enough? We used to run with much less
memory than 8MB






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Gregg C Levine
2003-06-25 12:16:42 UTC
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Me? I thought there was something else wrong. In fact, I was leaning
towards the fact that there was something else wrong, like an
improperly configured display table. As for memory, that was a second
guess.

Failing disks? Try asking your cats about which one has been throwing
the computer on the floor.
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: AW: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
regg,
why was your thought that 8 MB is not enough? We used to run with much less
memory than 8MB
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Paul A. Scott
2003-06-25 15:16:05 UTC
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Post by Gregg C Levine
Failing disks? Try asking your cats about which one has been throwing
the computer on the floor.
Reminds me of my first encounter with an IBM CE. Back in '80, one of the
keys on my 3270 terminal stuck in the "pressed" position. I couldn't pry the
damn key loose to save my sanity, nor turn off the the feedback "clicker"
that began to sound like an empty Gatling gun with the trigger still pulled.
An hour later, the IBM CE arrived. After one look at the keyboard, he issued
an unexpected warning to "stand back." He then picked the keyboard up to
chest level and with what seemed like all his muscle, slammed it back onto
the countertop. The action almost gave me a heart attack (or was it the
twelve cups of joe I drank in the prior hour?) but in the split-second I
returned to consciousness along with the realization that my heart was
repeatedly trying its best to leave my chest cavity (I think I screamed
"Jesus!"), I noticed that the keyboard stopped its annoying clacking. With
total disbelief that the keyboard might still work, I first checked the
stuck key (now working perfectly), and then slowly tested the other keys,
half expecting them to fall out like loosened teeth after a punch to the
face. But, nope! The solid steel box wouldn't give up its grip on the
chiclets. Meanwhile, the CE silently filled out his paperwork, handed me a
punchcard (a souvenir?), and then left. The keyboard never failed again.

It was 15 years before I had an opportunity to impress a coworker with the
same thrilling experience. It was the same style boat anchor with the same
problem: stuck key, tack-tack-tack-tack-tack ..., only this time *I* was
going to be the hero. Same admonishment, "stand back!" Same shocked scream,
"Jesus!" Same satisfying result. Damn, they knew how to built sh*t back
then, didn't they?

Alas, now all we have are the stories.
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Jeffrey R. Broido
2003-06-25 16:21:33 UTC
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Paul,

I would say that your CE was lucky, actually. 3270 keyboards were
(and are) arrays of buckling spring Hall Effect switches.

The circuit board beneath the keys is an array of inductors, one for
each key, made of gold-plated copper traces printed in a square zig-
zag pattern. Attached to the bottom of each key is a pair of
delicate buckling springs, tiny pieces of slightly bent spring steel
perforated at each end, the holes fitting over studs at the bottom
of the moving part of the key. Attached to the other ends of the
springs is a flat, square piece of magnetized ferrite. When a key
is depressed, its pair of springs buckles (like a "cricket" party
noisemaker), slamming the magnet down to the cirtuit board. The
result is a moving magnetic field which induces a current in the
printed inductor. This, incidentally, is why IBM (and Honeywell
Microswitch, IBM's original source and second source for years and
years) keyboards are far superior to those which use rubber domes
and/or mechanical contacts. There are no contacts to corrode, so
the keyboards are practically impervious to environmental problems.

If a 3270 keyboard, especially an old one, is sufficiently shocked,
the little springs pop off and the whole thing must be disassembled
to put them back. The original (and highly prized) IBM 101 key
keyboards for PCs use similar technology (which is why they have the
same excellent mechanical feedback that 3270 keyboards have), but
they are assembled by melting over plastic studs, which makes them
practically impossible to repair.

The 3270 keyboard, however, can easily be disassembled but not so
easily repaired. One day, in a fit of passion (as I recall, my
crooked mortgage company in Cranford, NJ, ironically right across
the street from IBM's local office at the time, was stalling me for
the umpteenth time), I threw something at the keyboard, shocking
many of the springs off. I called it in, IBM arrived and, rather
than try to fix it, simply replaced the guts and dumped the old one
in the trash. I took it home and, on the living room rug, spent an
agonizing three hours putting all the springs back on. It was quite
frustrating for until the thing is properly assembled, there is
little support for the springs and they pop back off if you so much
as look at them.

Regards,
Bomber
<snip> After one look at the keyboard, [the CE] issued an
unexpected warning to "stand back." He then picked the keyboard
up to chest level and with what seemed like all his muscle,
slammed it back onto the countertop. <snip>
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Kevin Monceaux
2003-06-25 20:49:25 UTC
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Believe it or not there are some companies that are still using hardware
old enough for the drop trick to work on. We still use it on 4224
printers when they start giving attachment card failure errors. We get
some interesting responses when we tell a user, "Turn the printer off,
pick it up about two inches, and drop it.". It works wonders for a loose
card.

Anyone ever heard of fixing a 3174 with a phone book? We had a site with
a 3174 that wouldn't IML. It was getting disk read errors. We tried all
the usual tricks then placed a service call. An IBM CE contacted the
site. They asked what the 3174 was sitting on. I forget what it was.
Anyway, the CE had someone at the site place a phone book between the 3174
and whatever piece of equipment it was setting on and try IMLing it. It
came up like a charm. The equipment the 3174 was sitting on was causing
some interference.

Kevin

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Paul A. Scott wrote:

snip...
Post by Paul A. Scott
An hour later, the IBM CE arrived. After one look at the keyboard, he issued
an unexpected warning to "stand back." He then picked the keyboard up to
chest level and with what seemed like all his muscle, slammed it back onto
the countertop.
snip...
Post by Paul A. Scott
Alas, now all we have are the stories.
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Gregg C Levine
2003-06-25 21:20:34 UTC
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Oh for.... I've got mine sitting on the floor. Every time I IML it,
for whatever reason, it reacts strangely. The man who gave it to me,
got it to work, with me, after about two tries. Oh, and that's the one
from the discussion from about two or so months ago.
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Believe it or not there are some companies that are still using hardware
old enough for the drop trick to work on. We still use it on 4224
printers when they start giving attachment card failure errors. We get
some interesting responses when we tell a user, "Turn the printer off,
pick it up about two inches, and drop it.". It works wonders for a loose
card.
Anyone ever heard of fixing a 3174 with a phone book? We had a site with
a 3174 that wouldn't IML. It was getting disk read errors. We tried all
the usual tricks then placed a service call. An IBM CE contacted the
site. They asked what the 3174 was sitting on. I forget what it was.
Anyway, the CE had someone at the site place a phone book between the 3174
and whatever piece of equipment it was setting on and try IMLing it.
It
came up like a charm. The equipment the 3174 was sitting on was causing
some interference.
Kevin
snip...
Post by Paul A. Scott
An hour later, the IBM CE arrived. After one look at the keyboard, he issued
an unexpected warning to "stand back." He then picked the keyboard up to
chest level and with what seemed like all his muscle, slammed it back onto
the countertop.
snip...
Post by Paul A. Scott
Alas, now all we have are the stories.
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Doug Fuerst
2003-06-25 20:52:29 UTC
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If you had a 2821, and you were getting print buffer errors, you drew an X
on an appropriate cover, and kicked it. Jiggled the core storage and
generally fixed it. And IBM preferred that to replacing the arrays.
Post by Kevin Monceaux
Believe it or not there are some companies that are still using hardware
old enough for the drop trick to work on. We still use it on 4224
printers when they start giving attachment card failure errors. We get
some interesting responses when we tell a user, "Turn the printer off,
pick it up about two inches, and drop it.". It works wonders for a loose
card.
Anyone ever heard of fixing a 3174 with a phone book? We had a site with
a 3174 that wouldn't IML. It was getting disk read errors. We tried all
the usual tricks then placed a service call. An IBM CE contacted the
site. They asked what the 3174 was sitting on. I forget what it was.
Anyway, the CE had someone at the site place a phone book between the 3174
and whatever piece of equipment it was setting on and try IMLing it. It
came up like a charm. The equipment the 3174 was sitting on was causing
some interference.
Kevin
snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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Fish
2003-06-26 02:58:47 UTC
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Works with 1403 printers too. :)

We had a similar experience as Paul's. Our printer was merrily
printing away when the operator noticed it was getting low on paper.
On the other side of the computer room was a small supply (several
stacks) of boxes of paper. He picked up a box and slid it across the
floor towards to printer, but used a little much force. It bumped
into the side of the printer which immediately stopped printing.

After trying everything we could to get it working, we finally called
it in. After a short while the CE arrived and, after explaining what
happened, did something along the same lines as Paul's CE did: he
said "Stand back!" (or words to that affect) and then gave the
printer a good, strong, mule kick: **WHAM!**

The printer immediately sprang to life and he calmly sat down and
began writing up our service ticket. :)

(We asked why/how that fixed it and he explained that it was probably
just some paper dust that was interfering with a micro-switch and his
kicking it simply knocked the dust loose from the switch. Shortly
after our shop of course modified their policy regarding how
frequently the printer should be vacuumed. ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
If you had a 2821, and you were getting print buffer errors, you
drew an X on an appropriate cover, and kicked it. Jiggled the core
storage and generally fixed it. And IBM preferred that to
replacing the arrays.
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w_hecox
2003-06-26 12:37:25 UTC
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Before I became a sysprog I was a CE for an IBM competitor.
The printers had a relay panel near the floor which became
dusty on a regular basis. I use to use the kick the relay
panel trick on several occassions. The operations manager caught me
doing it one time and didn't care for my treatment of his
machines. I got a call from my supervisior telling me to never get
caught doing that again. After that I always used the end of a
screwdriver to tap the relay box when no one was looking.

As far as vacuuming, It use to get worse after it was vacuumed.
All that dust getting stirred up. Of course you could not tell
the customer that our equipment was that senstive.

Bill
Post by Fish
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Works with 1403 printers too. :)
We had a similar experience as Paul's. Our printer was merrily
printing away when the operator noticed it was getting low on paper.
On the other side of the computer room was a small supply (several
stacks) of boxes of paper. He picked up a box and slid it across the
floor towards to printer, but used a little much force. It bumped
into the side of the printer which immediately stopped printing.
After trying everything we could to get it working, we finally
called
Post by Fish
it in. After a short while the CE arrived and, after explaining what
happened, did something along the same lines as Paul's CE did: he
said "Stand back!" (or words to that affect) and then gave the
printer a good, strong, mule kick: **WHAM!**
The printer immediately sprang to life and he calmly sat down and
began writing up our service ticket. :)
(We asked why/how that fixed it and he explained that it was
probably
Post by Fish
just some paper dust that was interfering with a micro-switch and his
kicking it simply knocked the dust loose from the switch. Shortly
after our shop of course modified their policy regarding how
frequently the printer should be vacuumed. ;-)
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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
If you had a 2821, and you were getting print buffer errors, you
drew an X on an appropriate cover, and kicked it. Jiggled the core
storage and generally fixed it. And IBM preferred that to
replacing the arrays.
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Richard Higson
2003-06-25 15:20:45 UTC
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Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Failing disks? Try asking your cats about which one has been throwing
the computer on the floor.
Volker's cats wouldn't do anything uncivilised like that.

They sit on the keyboard and purr, while you gently try to persuade them
that there might indeed be better places to sit.

If, however you attempt to persuade them my actually trying to pick one
up, you might get bitten, or swatted with a paw, with or without claws,
depending on just how much you are interefering with their afternoon
sleep and/or their dignity.

It would be your own fault, of course, for daring to argue with a cat.

Richard ;-)
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Gregg C Levine
2003-06-25 18:10:10 UTC
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Richard, a cat is a cat. I know, I've got two tiger cubs here, who
refuse to give me the time of day. That being said, I am more then
prepared to agree with you. And regarding the problem that Volker is
having, I think your right. I think he's having hardware problems up
the wazoo, and my jokes only served to create other things.
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Behalf Of
Richard Higson
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem (OT)
Subject: RE: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Failing disks? Try asking your cats about which one has been
throwing
the computer on the floor.
Volker's cats wouldn't do anything uncivilised like that.
They sit on the keyboard and purr, while you gently try to persuade them
that there might indeed be better places to sit.
If, however you attempt to persuade them my actually trying to pick one
up, you might get bitten, or swatted with a paw, with or without claws,
depending on just how much you are interefering with their afternoon
sleep and/or their dignity.
It would be your own fault, of course, for daring to argue with a cat.
Richard ;-)
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limanowm
2003-06-28 06:16:31 UTC
Permalink
Dear fellows,

Thank you all for hints.

I have changed MAINSIZE to 16 and read instructions once again - it
turned out that I had not connected all terminals. #
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
#MAINSIZE 8
MAINSIZE 16
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01


Now I start 3 consoles:

Running on CYGWIN_NT-5.0 i686 1.3.22(0.78/3/2) 2003-03-18 09:20
HHCPN001I Control panel thread started: tid=00000678, pid=1584
HHCCP003I CPU0000 architecture mode S/370
HHCCP012I Timer thread started: tid=00000624, pid=1584
HHCTE003I Waiting for console connection on port 3270
HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0010
HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0011
HHCTE009I Client 127.0.0.1 connected to 3270 device 0020
ipl 150
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
Command ==>

I suppose it looks much better now. But I couldn't connect to 000C
device with telnet - when I enter "C:\>telnet 127.0.0.1 3270" the
answer is "Connection to host lost." I don't know if it is a problem.

Where to look for information about system architecture?
Where to find some useful for beginners knowledge about: what is
VTAM, TSO, JES, CICS and all the other stuff?


I have some experience in PC world (since 89') but as to mainframes
it is still kind of magic to me.

Best Regards,

mariusz
Post by Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Me? I thought there was something else wrong. In fact, I was leaning
towards the fact that there was something else wrong, like an
improperly configured display table. As for memory, that was a
second
Post by Gregg C Levine
guess.
Failing disks? Try asking your cats about which one has been
throwing
Post by Gregg C Levine
the computer on the floor.
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: AW: [hercules-390] Re: ipl 150 problem
regg,
why was your thought that 8 MB is not enough? We used to run with
much less
memory than 8MB
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somitcw
2003-06-28 12:26:19 UTC
Permalink
--- In hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org, "limanowm"
<mariusz.limanowski-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
- - - snipped - - -
Post by limanowm
000C 3505
- - - snipped - - -
Post by limanowm
ipl 150
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
Command ==>
I suppose it looks much better now. But I couldn't
connect to 000C device with telnet - when I enter
"C:\>telnet 127.0.0.1 3270" the answer is "Connection
to host lost." I don't know if it is a problem.
You Hercules configuration file has 00C defined as
as card reader, not a line-mode terminal for Telnet.
What is 00C defined as in your Stage 1 ?

What caused the 00C Intervention Required?
Is 00C part of a composite console or did you
use an 'I C' command that is not posted?
Post by limanowm
Where to look for information about system architecture?
what is VTAM, TSO, JES, CICS and all the other stuff?
- - - snipped - - -

Books.


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Greg Smith
2003-06-24 23:39:36 UTC
Permalink
Ummm, pic 5 will still occur no matter how much memory
(within reason for the os) you give it. While initializing
page frame keys, the easiest thing to do, it seems, is to
SSK each frame in turn until get a pic 5. This is a quite
common program check during legacy os initialization.

In other words, I don't see the actual problem illustrated
here.

Greg
Post by Darth Mon
Hi,
I think you need to allocate more memory..
Post by limanowm
MAINSIZE 8
try 32 or maybe 64
Post by limanowm
So I did.
"GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00000000
GR03=00000000 +
GR04=00800000 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=0000010C GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2
PSW=00000005 5000011E INST=0832 SSK 3,2
GR00=00000000 GR01=00000000 GR02=00800000 GR03=00000000
GR04=00000800 GR05=00000000 GR06=00000000 GR07=00000000
GR08=00000100 GR09=00FFFFFF GR10=00000128 GR11=00000000
GR12=00000000 GR13=00000000 GR14=00000000 GR15=40000082
HHCCP048I 000C:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 000C:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 000C:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 000C:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0011:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0011:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0011:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0011:Sense=INTREQ
HHCCP048I 0020:CCW=03000000 20000001=>040C0000 000194D2 00000000
00000000 ......
HHCCP075I 0020:Stat=0E00 Count=0001
HHCCP076I 0020:Sense=40000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
HHCCP077I 0020:Sense=INTREQ"
Probably I have wrong configuration for S/370 architecture.
"
#
# Configuration file for Hercules ESA/390 emulator
# MVS SYSTEM
#
ARCHMODE S/370 #this line I added
CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 0148
MAINSIZE 8
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM ........
SYSEPOCH 1928
TZOFFSET -0100
# .-----------------------------Device number
# | .-----------------------Device type
# | | .---------------File name
# | | |
# V V V
#--- ---- --------------------
000C 3505
000D 3525 pch00d.txt ascii
000E 1403 prt00e.txt
#000F 3211 prt00f.txt
0010 3270
0011 3270
0020 3270
#0021 3270
#0022 3270
#0023 3270
0130 3330 dasd\work01
0131 3330 dasd\sys001
0150 3350 dasd\mvsres
#0151 3350 dasd\mvsdlb
0230 3330 dasd\spool1
0330 3330 dasd\tso001
0340 3340 dasd\page01
"
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2003-06-25 00:03:51 UTC
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Post by Darth Mon
Hi,
I think you need to allocate more memory..
Post by limanowm
MAINSIZE 8
try 32 or maybe 64
I don't know what he's trying to IPL, but we used to run MVS in 8 Mbytes
(or less) of RAM.

I IPLed Debian/Woody (Linux) in 8 Mbytes with Hercules Version 2.17.1
only yesterday, solely for the purpose of checking that it can be done.
It came up okay, but was too slow to do anything useful.
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Volker Bandke
2003-06-25 06:18:07 UTC
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You can make a lot of theses messages (which are harmless) disappear by
adding the line


OSTAILOR MVS


to your configuration file. Using


OSTAILOR QUIET


will get rid of all messages, but that might be overdoing it a bit.

The INTREQ msgs tell me that you have something connected to address 0010,
and have nothing connected to 000C, 0011, and 0020. I am not sure, but I
don't think the starter system supports 3270 master terminals (I never tried
it).

Your best bet is to connect a plain telnet session to port 3270 of the host
machine, which will show up as a 3505 at address 000c in the starter system.
Then IPL off 150, and you will see the relevant info in the telnet screen





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2003-06-25 07:23:18 UTC
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Glad to see you got your fortune cookie jar back. :)

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Volker Bandke
2003-06-25 10:02:47 UTC
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Post by Fish
Glad to see you got your fortune cookie jar back. :)
yep. So am I. I've had my share of failing hard disks for the next few
years, I would say. I am slowly getting my systems up to specs again.







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Gregg C Levine
2003-06-24 12:52:37 UTC
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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Actually without seeing your config files it's hard to tell. But it's
my guess that you're running something in there, that is actually for
S/370 or S/360 machine types, and since Hercules defaults to S/390
without an ARCHMODE setting, then that's what you need. Go over your
config file, and see what you've left out. Also post it here.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:35 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] ipl 150 problem
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in command
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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limanowm
2003-06-24 15:18:55 UTC
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I added ARCHMODE setting and posted results and config file - see
message 30959.

Regards,

Mariusz
Post by Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Actually without seeing your config files it's hard to tell. But it's
my guess that you're running something in there, that is actually for
S/370 or S/360 machine types, and since Hercules defaults to S/390
without an ARCHMODE setting, then that's what you need. Go over your
config file, and see what you've left out. Also post it here.
-------------------
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:35 AM
Subject: [hercules-390] ipl 150 problem
Dear all,
I am just a beginer in the world of mainframes.
I have installed Cygwin and Hercules v2.17.1. on my machine (IBM
ThinkPad T20 running Windows 2000 Professional).
But when I enter (according to instructions) "ipl 150" in command
00000000 00000080" message.
Can anyone help me to find out what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mariusz
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Ronald Tatum
2003-07-21 01:08:33 UTC
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Volker, John, Sam, et alia,

Well, I've found some interesting anomalies. Seems that domestic (USA)
addressees such as Mr. Knutson can send and receive from my local ISP
account, but offshore can't. I appear to be getting posts via the on-list
to/from just about anywhere. Ping from the command line is hopelessly
broken.

No, I don't think it's the DHS/Ashcroft nonsense, just my local ISP
messing up. I opened another ISP account with another company, and I can
ping anything I want, apparently I'll also be able to send/receive e-mail
via that service at will. I'll gather proof of the problem for my (soon to
be former) ISP and present them with it tomorrow or so (21 June '03).

Then, it will just be the drudgery of changing my e-mail adress with
all the places from/to which correspondence has taken place. Hey, maybe
I'll escape the attentions of a few spammers for a while in the process ;).

Thanks for clueing me in that I had a problem - unreceived mail is by
definition invisible. Sorry if I may have caused difficulties for any of the
good folks on the Herc list.

Best regards,
Ronald Tatum



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John Summerfield
2003-07-21 02:00:34 UTC
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Post by Ronald Tatum
Then, it will just be the drudgery of changing my e-mail adress with
all the places from/to which correspondence has taken place. Hey, maybe
I'll escape the attentions of a few spammers for a while in the process ;).
And your new address?

If your ISP uses sendmail, you can have any number of email addresses:
rontatum+herakles-***@public.gmane.org will be delivered to ***@example.com

I'm sure some other MTAs do this too, but at least one uses hyphens
instead of plusses, and I think it can be turned off.

Using this, you could have a filter rul that says "mail to
rontatum+herakles-***@public.gmane.org that is not from the hercules list gets
<plonk>ed."
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Ronald Tatum
2003-07-21 13:57:54 UTC
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John, et alia,

New e-mail address (for either list or off-list, but particularly the
latter) is rhtatum-oWhiTJmMyswWI+***@public.gmane.org . Seems to be working with some locally
initiated tests.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Summerfield" <spam-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] ipl 150 problem
Post by John Summerfield
Post by Ronald Tatum
Then, it will just be the drudgery of changing my e-mail adress with
all the places from/to which correspondence has taken place. Hey, maybe
I'll escape the attentions of a few spammers for a while in the process ;).
And your new address?
I'm sure some other MTAs do this too, but at least one uses hyphens
instead of plusses, and I think it can be turned off.
Using this, you could have a filter rul that says "mail to
<plonk>ed."
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2003-07-21 14:16:24 UTC
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Post by Ronald Tatum
John, et alia,
New e-mail address (for either list or off-list, but particularly the
initiated tests.
You should have two by now. The second isn't very interesting. Unless
you think it is.
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Ronald Tatum
2003-07-21 15:31:34 UTC
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John,

You must be quite a night owl - I figure it's the middle of the night
where you are ;-)

Yes, got both messages together with attachment reporting problems. So I
guess the safest thing is to use the lubbocknet.net address for off-list
items.

So, for whatever reason, this new ISP hookup seems to be working just
fine; I'll point out the discrepancy to the former ISP today (21 July 2003
ca 10:30 hrs CDT USA time).

Thanks again, and best regards,
Ron Tatum
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Summerfield" <spam-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] ipl 150 problem
Post by John Summerfield
Post by Ronald Tatum
John, et alia,
New e-mail address (for either list or off-list, but particularly the
locally
Post by John Summerfield
Post by Ronald Tatum
initiated tests.
You should have two by now. The second isn't very interesting. Unless
you think it is.
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